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Mykale, a naval battle?
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Quote:Im friends with the publisher of the Munich scenes.

Peter Calmeyer? Or Lâtife Summerer? They've been published by a few people.

Quote:They don’t depict Persians, again, they are Anatolians.

The tomb was certainly Anatolian, as was the interred, but are you suggesting that an army of Anatolians is depicted fighting against Saka? Or that the prominent central figure and supporting archers in the battle scene are not Persians? The funerary procession and some of the other details are clearly Anatolian in nature, and thus this is a thoroughly provincial work, but I see no good reason to take the troops in the battle scene as anything other than Persian forces. Or do you take only the cavalrymen to be Anatolians? What about the charioteers?

Quote:They may be wearing trousers or leggings, shoes were worn with each so the fact that they are a different colour doesn't really prove anything. Trousers were more common in this area though as there is more of a Skythian influence in the dress (which is why the tunics are not so long).

Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the problem with the depiction of the leggings on Greek vase paintings, then? Comparing them to the leggings of the soldiers in Median dress from Persepolis, they look almost identical.

Quote:I don't think that it is proven that the tiara was only worn by nobility in Anatolia? What about Persian garrison troops or Phrygians and Bythinians?

Can you present an example of a representation of a non-elite Bithynian or Phrygian wearing a tiara? The only examples I know of are from elite funerary stelae and from depictions like the prominent figure on the Nereid monument, or Autophradates on the Payava sarcophagus. Common Anatolian soldiers, like the footmen on the Canakkale sarcophagus who are likely Mysians (and who, it should be noted, wear long tunics, like the Ionian one, and not short ones), wear long-sleeved tunics and trousers, but no tiaras.

Quote:The gorytus would not be unusual to many Greek artists, Skythians worked in Greece and there were even Skythian artists in Greece. Again, Spara are very likely to have been taken as trophies, so it is not unlikely that a Greek artist would have seen one. Im sure if an artist was asked to paint a Persian, it was possible for him to check out what Persian items were dedicated at the local temple that he could use as reference?

And if an artist had to paint a scene of, say, Mycale, and he had access to dedicated Persian equipment, and thus could see the orientation of handles on a spara, and could speak to veterans who could relate how the Persians fought, then what is the problem with trusting the Greek depictions of the such a shield's use?
Ruben

He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
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Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-05-2010, 06:38 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Jona Lendering - 07-05-2010, 07:17 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by hoplite14gr - 07-05-2010, 08:15 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-05-2010, 10:30 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Jona Lendering - 07-05-2010, 11:18 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-06-2010, 12:53 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Old Husker - 07-06-2010, 05:19 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by hoplite14gr - 07-06-2010, 06:45 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-06-2010, 07:28 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by hoplite14gr - 07-06-2010, 07:35 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-06-2010, 07:43 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-06-2010, 11:17 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-07-2010, 07:44 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-07-2010, 11:17 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-07-2010, 11:20 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-07-2010, 11:32 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Dithyrambus - 07-08-2010, 12:33 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-08-2010, 01:56 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-08-2010, 05:23 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-08-2010, 05:55 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-09-2010, 02:12 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Old Husker - 07-19-2010, 07:20 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-20-2010, 01:35 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-20-2010, 02:44 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Paullus Scipio - 07-20-2010, 06:01 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-20-2010, 03:24 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Old Husker - 07-20-2010, 07:17 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-20-2010, 10:33 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Old Husker - 07-20-2010, 11:35 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-20-2010, 11:36 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Paullus Scipio - 07-21-2010, 12:14 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-21-2010, 12:39 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Paullus Scipio - 07-21-2010, 01:14 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-21-2010, 01:59 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-21-2010, 09:01 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-21-2010, 04:48 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-21-2010, 10:59 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-21-2010, 11:34 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-26-2010, 04:10 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-26-2010, 06:30 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-26-2010, 08:37 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-26-2010, 09:02 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-26-2010, 09:42 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-26-2010, 11:35 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-27-2010, 01:57 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-27-2010, 03:38 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-27-2010, 07:58 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-27-2010, 04:43 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by Sean Manning - 07-28-2010, 04:39 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-28-2010, 02:23 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-28-2010, 03:13 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-28-2010, 04:59 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by immortal - 07-28-2010, 10:36 PM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by PMBardunias - 07-29-2010, 10:50 AM
Re: Mykale, a naval battle? - by MeinPanzer - 07-29-2010, 04:45 PM

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