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Subarmalis or gambeson?
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I would like to point out we have no finds of integral padding under mail, scale or anything. Neither do we have no armour with integral padding after the period. Mail with integrated padding would also loose much of what makes it so useful. Flexibility.

If we look at history as a whole and apply what we archaeologist calls comparative antropological perspective it seems more likely that you would wear a separate padding rather than an integrated one.
And you cannot compare blunt steel blades being swung against you with moderate force with Vicious lashing blades or spearthrusts. A thick felted tunic may be enough, sure. But if it is thin and say of linen, you may
aswell be naked under the mail.

The mail protects against the edge, the padding against the crushing forces and provides a bit of flexing which makes it more difficult to pentetrate the rings.

And if we start talking about a thick felted tunic we are basically talking about a subarmalis.

And correct me if I am wrong, but I Believe Vegetius too mention something like the Thoracomachus, so it is not just something that is suggested. More likely, it is Another name for the subarmalis.
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Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 04-26-2014, 04:12 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 04-26-2014, 09:31 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 04-27-2014, 12:02 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 04-27-2014, 08:30 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 04-27-2014, 09:10 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 04-27-2014, 09:33 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 04-28-2014, 03:20 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 04-28-2014, 07:47 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 04-28-2014, 08:03 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 04-28-2014, 10:14 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 04-28-2014, 10:58 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Jack Rizzio - 04-29-2014, 01:28 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 04-29-2014, 01:47 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Mattias Niord - 04-29-2014, 05:25 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 04-29-2014, 05:40 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 04-29-2014, 09:25 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 04-29-2014, 09:28 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 04-30-2014, 03:34 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 04-30-2014, 09:20 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 05-01-2014, 09:47 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 05-01-2014, 09:48 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-01-2014, 10:37 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 05-01-2014, 10:52 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-01-2014, 11:19 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-01-2014, 11:43 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 05-01-2014, 03:52 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-01-2014, 04:04 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Mattias Niord - 05-01-2014, 06:08 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Mattias Niord - 05-01-2014, 06:11 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-01-2014, 08:44 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-01-2014, 10:13 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-01-2014, 10:32 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-02-2014, 10:49 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Nathan Ross - 05-02-2014, 11:11 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-02-2014, 11:18 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Nathan Ross - 05-02-2014, 11:34 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-02-2014, 12:24 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-02-2014, 12:26 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-02-2014, 12:42 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-02-2014, 12:46 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Nathan Ross - 05-02-2014, 02:19 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Nadeem - 05-02-2014, 03:40 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-02-2014, 10:14 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Márk György Kis - 05-02-2014, 10:37 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-03-2014, 02:07 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Márk György Kis - 05-03-2014, 07:56 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Nathan Ross - 05-03-2014, 10:43 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-03-2014, 02:32 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-03-2014, 03:37 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-03-2014, 03:57 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Alexand96 - 05-03-2014, 10:40 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 05-03-2014, 11:14 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Ariamir - 05-04-2014, 11:03 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Nathan Ross - 05-04-2014, 11:41 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-04-2014, 05:21 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Nathan Ross - 05-04-2014, 06:27 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-04-2014, 07:45 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Nathan Ross - 05-04-2014, 07:58 PM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Martin Moser - 05-05-2014, 06:29 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-05-2014, 10:44 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Nathan Ross - 05-05-2014, 11:02 AM
Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-05-2014, 12:05 PM
RE: Subarmalis or gambeson? - by panairjdde - 11-10-2015, 11:12 PM
RE: Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Robert Vermaat - 11-12-2015, 03:07 PM
RE: Subarmalis or gambeson? - by panairjdde - 11-12-2015, 03:15 PM
RE: Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Robert Vermaat - 11-13-2015, 12:14 PM
RE: Subarmalis or gambeson? - by Dan Howard - 03-19-2019, 07:55 AM

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