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Very good.
I would bet some money on it being one....looks right shape,
are there any pictures of these on access to plebs like me?
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Quote:These metal reinforcements were never "full," because they would have been incredibly expensive and impractically heavy.
Yes. It´s just that Junkelmann reconstructed the "full", and here is quite good proof that they weren´t, which is what I thought.
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#5 in my "picture 5" or rather fig. 3 as it is numbered in the article, is apparently the metal spina referred to in the text. The thing is, there is no specific reference to #5 in the text or the illustration. It's just there. So, it has to be the spina, I suppose.
Quote:It's just a metal reinforcement for the boss, not the boss itself. It would have been applied to the actual wooden boss. These metal reinforcements were never "full," because they would have been incredibly expensive and impractically heavy.
Although the metal spina is apparently a reinforcement for the wooden spina made to match the boss, the metal boss itself can very well be just that - the boss itself, not a reinforcement.
About the metal piece with the animals running around - the text refers to it as a belt plate that, as well as #3 from the same fig., was stitched to the belt. Why they decided it was a belt plate rather than something else, and why it was supposedly stitched on, it does not say.
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I would imagine that they refer to it as a belt plate because the animal chase motif it carries is one of the standard motifs found on type 'B' belt plates during the first century AD. Normally these are in the form of the circular chase motif on a square or rectangular plate but there are other known examples of circular belt plates carrying this motif and round belt plates are depicted on a number of stelae.
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Quote:INormally these are in the form of the circular chase motif on a square or rectangular plate but there are other known examples of circular belt plates carrying this motif and round belt plates are depicted on a number of stelae.
This looks like one, perhaps? It looks like the circles touch each other near the apron, hence I thought it not a rectangular plate with circles inside.
http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/images/sto ... nzIId1.jpg
http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/component/ ... Itemid,94/
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I think you are right about that stone. They certainly look like round plates to me. I was thinking also of a belt pictured in Mike Bishop's article on the 'Early Imperial Apron', pictured as relief no. 42 in Figure 11. The article can be seen here:
http://www.jrmes.org.uk/vol03.htm
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For what two exterior buttons in the second cheek piece? Double strap of subordination? A strap from the nape and another strap below the jaw?
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Quote:For what two exterior buttons in the second cheek piece? Double strap of subordination? A strap from the nape and another strap below the jaw?
Well spotted!
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As the links in that extremely interesting post are broken, could anyone fix it, please?
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Quote:As the links in that extremely interesting post are broken, could anyone fix it, please?
yes, I agree, but also the images in the first part of this topic are over. Would be great to have them again.
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I also would like to be able to see these links however I just cannot access them WHY??
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I did not remove the pictures. Apparently, they were removed during the site migration.
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Could you upload them again, perhaps?  P THX
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Sure, all done.
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Hooray! Thanks!
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