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Quote:The guy on the right looks like late Medieval, perhaps even Civil War--like the infantry of Cromweels' new army?
Almost. If you know where Haltwhistle is that might give you a clue to the guy's identity. The location is of course in the picture just to help you out!
Thanks for posting Robert.
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Ummm. It's in Northumberland near Hadrian's Wall, but I found no clues to the second man's identity, even on the Haltwhistle website.
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He is a Border Riever, Ron.
Quote:The guy on the left looks great (except, of course, for the crest).
What is wrong with the crest, Ron? It is a standard front to back type, just viewed directly from the front.
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I thought the common legionnaire--the type who would be assigned garrison duty on Hadrian's Wall--had no crest. Only special unit, such as the Praetorian Guards, wore crests. Am I wrong . . . again?  hock:
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Hi Ron
Well you have neatly got us back on thread. i.e Misconceptions. Of course you are right, at that period they should all have a ring on the top of their helmet like Trajan's Column or in Asterix! see top picture. 
The figure could however be a legionary from the earlier Stanegate frontier period. In fact shown as an optio, because of the knobbed staff and wax tablets because we all know they carried both as part of their official uniform. In fact if you could see more of the crest we could probably all see that it is in fact black and white because we all know every optio had one of those. :wink:
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With his steil bonnet and targe, the guy on the right looks like a Border Reiver.
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Quote:Hi Ron
Well you have neatly got us back on thread. i.e Misconceptions. Of course you are right, at that period they should all have a ring on the top of their helmet like Trajan's Column or in Asterix! see top picture.
The figure could however be a legionary from the earlier Stanegate frontier period. In fact shown as an optio, because of the knobbed staff and wax tablets because we all know they carried both as part of their official uniform. In fact if you could see more of the crest we could probably all see that it is in fact black and white because we all know every optio had one of those. :wink:
Graham.
You're absolutely right. And, maybe, feathers, too? I can't believe I missed that. Apparently, Haltwhistle's Roman was well-researched by someone.
Border Reiver works for me, too.
(Asterix is my favorite non-Roman. :wink: )
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Quote:The man on the right looks like a Spanish conquistador. Then again if it is late Roman there may be things that I do not know about.
I surely hope you realised I was joking there.
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Quote:I love that 'centre of Britain'! Talk about self-confidence..
Well they mean the geographical centre of Britain, but even then it is not straightforward and is disputed - with our crinkly, island-spattered coastline it all depends where you measure it from! Does have a rather good bookshop, though, which has featured in some of my Abebooks purchases over the years.
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Quote:Haltwhistle ... The location is of course in the picture just to help you out!
Twice, in fact. Once quietly, AND ONCE LOUDLY! (D'you think maybe they're proud to be the centre of Britain?)
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I think the idea of Legionary uniformity gained it's popularity in pop culture, and was continued from there. No different than our perceptions of how the army performed drill (ie the roman army was disciplined, therefore they must move and drill like contemporary armies).
So I blame pop culture, whether it's a movie, book, tv show or other media format. If no one challenges it, it's far easier to be lazy and continue the stereotype.
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Like that old adage about much of what we think we know isn't so.
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It's strange. When I was a kid as a gift I was given a picture book called "Roman legionaries at the time of Julius Caesar". This contained pictures of legionaries wearing all the correct late republican period kit. I'd never seen, or even thought about, Roman soldiers before these so my abiding impression was of men in montefortinos and mail shirts with the big "Fayum" style body shields. They're still what immediately comes to mind when I think of a generic "Roman soldier"! :oops:
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Quote:It's strange. When I was a kid as a gift I was given a picture book called "Roman legionaries at the time of Julius Caesar". This contained pictures of legionaries wearing all the correct late republican period kit. I'd never seen, or even thought about, Roman soldiers before these so my abiding impression was of men in montefortinos and mail shirts with the big "Fayum" style body shields. They're still what immediately comes to mind when I think of a generic "Roman soldier"! :oops:
Well, Harry, they were the last of the real Romans, after all.... :wink: :mrgreen:
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Quote:Well, Harry, they were the last of the real Romans, after all.... :wink: :mrgreen:
OI!! hock:
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