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Traveling to Greece
#16
To be honest, you can skip Sparta. It is a modern town, but don't expect to see very much.

I suggest you concentrate on Athens. You need about one day for the Akropolis, the monuments on its southern slope, and the Agora; one day for the Roman Agora, the Temple of Zeus, and the National Archaeological Museum; one day for Kerameikos and some other "minor" sights; and one day for the Benaki Museum and the Byzantine & Christian Museum. Also try to visit Sounion, Brauron, and Marathon (one day).

Then, to Delphi. If you (or your parents) have rented a car, you can make a detour to Plataea, Thebes (dull town, but I have excellent memories of its museum), Chaeronea, and Thermopylae. If you have no car, but really want to see Thermopylae, take a bus from Athens to Lamia, and leave at Thermopylae; then, take the bus in the direction of Patra, and leave it somewhere near Delphi.

Delphi costs about one day, site and museum. Don't forget to take a swim at Itea. Try to make a trip to the Monastery of Hosios Loukas, which has splendid paintings.

If you have a car, better not take the bridge to the Peloponnese, but take the ferry to Hagios Nikolaos, and pay a visit to Kalavryta. The Greeks are happy if you show an interest in their ancient past, but they will love you if you are also interested in the more resent past - and Kalavryta is one of the saddest places to be. But ignoring it (or a similar site) is like visiting New York and ignoring Ground Zero; your American hosts will not blame you, but they do appreciate it if you share in their loss.

A visit to Olympia takes about one day. You may consider a visit to the battlefield of Mantinea (north of the airport of Tripoli) on your way to the east coast. Nauplion is a nice place to stay if you want to see Mycene and Epidauros, which you can easily do on one day. (BTW: as you are planning well in advance, try to make a reservation in the hotel in Mycene where the great Schliemann had his rooms.)

As I said, Nauplion itself is a lovely place to use as base for trips in the neighborhood (although I once spend three nights in a cheap hotel before I discovered that it was actually... a brothel! :oops: ); after visiting the museum, you can pay a quick visit to the museum of Argos (no other important remains) and the ruins of Nemea, before finding a hotel in Corinth.

Allow one day for Corinth's ancient city and the Akrokorinth; and another day for Isthmia, Cenchreae, and bungee jumping in the Canal of Corinth (serious!). On your way back to Athens, do not ignore Eleusis and the monastery of Daphni (currently closed).

If you (or your parents) have some additional money to spend, I'd recommend to start in Thessaloniki (lovely Byzantine Museum; great archaeological museum; palace complex of Galerius; Greek and Roman forum; city wall; several nice churches [you will understand Greece better once you have seen the tomb of Saint Demetrius]; and the depressing but beautiful Jewish Museum).

Pay a visit to Pella, Naousa, and Vergina (this is your Alexander the Great day) and take a hotel at the foot of Mount Olympus; next day, take a swim in the Tempe Canyon, and drive to Lamia, making brief stops at Cynoscephalae (Roman camp visible) and the plain of Pharsalus. After Lamia, there is Thermopylae and Delphi again; and then you make the tour as described above, culminating in Athens.

No doubt you will find your way to classical books like Herodotus and Thucydides. I suggest you also read Richard Clogg, A Concise History of Greece ($19.00), which tells the story of Greece since 1770. After all, Greece is not an open air museum full of ancient monuments, but a modern country, and it helps to know something about it. And a personal favorite: Peter Levi, The Hill of Kronos: a charming story about a classicist writing about Pausanias who visits Greece and falls in love with the country. Which is easy.
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#17
I will remember to stop in megara, just to say I've been there, because It was my polis during the greece unit at my school. I'm probably just stop there then do some chinesse fire drill or something.
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#18
Quote: bungee jumping in the Canal of Corinth (serious!).
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#19
I saw some pictures of the ruins of troy, and I want to go there. WHere is the best city to take a ferry to from piraeus to get to troy? and which island should I stop at because I read there are no ferries directly from athens to turkey, I think I should stop at lemnos.
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#20
Hey Jona, what was the name of that hotel/brothel? Just want to see if it was where I stayed!!!! :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#21
Quote:I saw some pictures of the ruins of troy, and I want to go there. WHere is the best city to take a ferry to from piraeus to get to troy? and which island should I stop at because I read there are no ferries directly from athens to turkey, I think I should stop at lemnos.
Troy: prepare for a disappointment. The plain is splendid and makes you believe that great things have indeed happened over there, but the hill itself is not easy to understand, although the German archaeologists have done their best with fine explanatory signs.

How to get there: best thing to do is to leave it out from a trip to Greece, because it takes a day to get there, a day to see it, and a day to return, and it's simply not worth the time. However, if you plan a tour through western Turkey, it can easily be inserted.

Quote:Hey Jona, what was the name of that hotel/brothel? Just want to see if it was where I stayed!!!! :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't remember, it's seven years ago. We entered the city from the north, and it was to the left of the main road, shortly before you entered the old town.

What I do remember is that there was an old couple that welcomed us; the man was drunk, asked hardly any money and did not want to see our passports. I heard some rhytmical sounds from another room, and when I went into town, I was accompagnied by a young women, with whom I had a nice conversation.

We spent another two days over there. The drunk man never asked our passports, there were often sounds, and it was only on the last day, when we drove away, when my friend said "So, we're leaving the brothel", that I realized where we had been - even though I certainly had been offered a lot of clues from which I could have deduced the hotel's true nature. And this is very surprising: after all, I live in that "Sodom & Gomorrah of our age", Amsterdam, and my school is even situated in one of the most notorious parts of that city!! Which proves that naïvité, once lost, can be recovered. :wink:
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#22
I shrunk the trip down so It is now so it is only $1860 per person. I hope that I will get it down to $1500 if I get good deals on airlines. I decided to shorten the stay in athens to what I really what I want to see, and now it's only 1 full day there. I dropped argos all together. I decided just to do a chineese fire drill in sparta to say I've been there. And my comment will be "this is sparta!"
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#23
Dan, I do no know what a transcontinental flight will cost, but let's assume it costs $500 (I have seen cheaper flights by e.g. Virgin Air). For the remaining $1360, you can stay in Greece for at least three weeks, if you plan carefully and accept cheap lodgings. Greece is a hot country; you can often sleep on the roof of a house, which costs almost nothing.

There is absolutely no need to stay only one day in Athens. For someone coming all the way from Illinois, a trip to Greece is too special to do it too quickly. Take your time. Better see things quietly than in a hurry.

Even better: consider joining an excavation. Then you get paid to visit Greece - although the director has nothing to offer but blood, toil, sweat, and fun.
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#24
Yes, 1 day in Athens is not enough! You want to be able to wander freely, not in a mad rush! Feel the spirit of the ages and the wonder of it all, although faded! I will always remember my first visit as a special experience! Getting in touch with the ancesters, so to speak! 8)
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#25
Quote:I will always remember my first visit as a special experience!
So do I! I was walking past a small church -I do not remember which one- when I was invited to come in and have some food with the believers. It was that church's Saint's Day, and there was a custom to give food to foreigners. I have never and nowhere felt more welcome.
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#26
The problem is that my parents would rush a trip to make it cheaper. If I find really good deals on air-fares, I might not have to rush it, and I have a lot of time to plan, because there aren't any official plans yet, and I know I'm not going next year because I already have a vacation planned. I will do my best to take my time, and get really good deals.
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#27
To be quite honest, I think you should try to convince your parents that a trip to another continent is not something to do cheaply. Better wait one additional year and have some extra money to spend than hurry and be disappointed.

This being said, your parents are right that money is an issue. Even though Greece is probably the cheapest country in the euro zone, the recent fall of the dollar makes it probably quite an investment.

I recently made a trip to Greece; if you want me to, I can send you an overview of our costs. Just drop me a p.m.
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#28
I'm looking on expedia , and I just found a really good deal on a flight. Now I'm looking at hotels in athens. I'm just looking for future reference, but it's always good to plan. How long should I stay in athens?
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#29
I got the plan down to $1501! That's $801 for the flight, 80 for the passport $240 for 3 nights in athens, 90 for one night in delphi, 200 for two nights in Olympia, and $80 for one night in corinth. Yes, the flight is roundtrip. I'm not making any plans to get stuck in greece, although I would like that except for the lodging thing. These plans are for this november, so prices will differ for when the trip will actually be.
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#30
You can probably find really decent accommodation in Delphi for half that price. I paid 40Euro a night for a clean andgood room at a hotel on the main street going through, the lower main street
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
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