11-18-2007, 09:28 PM
Quote:Does anyone knows from which books the next 3 plates come?
They show persian and saka cataphracts from some russian book.s
Does anyone know the books? Can someone help me find the source of the plates?
Anyone knows any russian book with persian or saka warriors?
The first and third are definitely from M.V. Gorelik, and I think the third is as well, but I'm not sure.
Based on Gorelik's other stuff, I can try to identify each figure.
The first plate's Fig. 1 is a heavy Persian infantryman. The cuirass and helmet are based on interpretations of Persian seals showing heavy cavalrymen and infantrymen. The rest of his appearance is hypothetical reconstruction. His shield is taken from a Persian on the Oxford Brygos cup, but the use of such a shield by Persian heavy infantrymen is hypothetical. Fig. 2 is a late Persian cavalryman is based off of several sources. His helmet is based on an example found in Thebes in Egypt, the gorget is based on the Derveni gorget, and the cuirass itself is just hypothetical, as is the fact that he shows one arm covered with cheir and the other with scale-covered pteruges. Gorelik illustrates the exact same hypothetical reconstruction of body armour (gorget, cuirass, and cheir) in "Oruzie Drevnego Vostoka" and states that it is based on Xenophon's descriptions, but gives no reason for reconstructing only one cheir-covered arm. The parameridia are based on the examples discussed in this thread. Fig. 3 is an early Saka noble cavalryman. His helmet is based on an example from Samarkand, his shield is based on the Pazyryk examples, and his greaves are based on those found in a Pazyryk burial. The cuirass is just a "generic" scaled cuirass, the horse furniture is based on Pazyryk finds, and everything else is hypothetical.
The third plate has a mix of figures. Fig. 1 is, again, a heavy Persian cavalryman, and the helmet is the same as Plate 1's Fig. 2, while the armour is, again, hypothetical, as is the peytral and parameridia of the man's mount. Fig. 2 is, I think, a late Persian cavalryman, based on a figure from the Issus mosaic but reconstructed with a hypothetical shield. Fig. 3 is just a Persian light cavalryman, and all the details are, I'm fairly sure, hypothetical. Fig. 4 is, I think, another late Persian cavalryman, but I can't identify the sources he used for them. Fig. 5 is based on a figure from a Southern Italian vase which Gorelik has I think quite wrongly reconstructed as wearing a full-body suit of scale armour. Rather the figure wears the regular "jumpsuit" that Persian troops are depicted wearing on Greek vases only with a pattern that resembles scaled armour. The figure carries two spears and a sword, but Gorelik has reconstructed him here with a hypothetical shield. It should also be noted that this figure wears quite fantastical headgear and is most likely a fantasy representation of an Asian. Fig. 6 is, I think, a Bactrian, and is fairly straightforward. Fig. 7 is a Saka cataphract, and is based on a few sources. The helmet is the same one given to Plate 1's Fig. 3. The armour is based on several sources showing heavy Saka cataphracts and in particular the armoured plates found in Chirik-Rabat.The horse armour is based on the terracotta fragment from Chumbuz-Tepe.
Ruben
He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
