10-02-2007, 02:20 PM
jumping back to the dorydrepanon and Plato.
I’m not sure Plato is really a solid or reliable source for the effectiveness of the sickle-spear. As far as I know Plato never did much if any service aboard ship and he more of less dreamed of a world without the navy. A similar weapon proved effective for Caesar in against the ships of the Gauls.
I would argue that is no particular reason to assume the archers were not citizens in most of the polis that maintained substantial navies (Athens, Rhodes (Hellenistic), Aegina, Samos, etc).
Herodotus also notes that problematically for them, they tended to be unable to swim compared to the Greeks (or Phoenicians) who could. If the Greeks were using similar nomad archer marines I would think Herodotus’s statement (at Salamis) would have covered both sides.
I’m not sure Plato is really a solid or reliable source for the effectiveness of the sickle-spear. As far as I know Plato never did much if any service aboard ship and he more of less dreamed of a world without the navy. A similar weapon proved effective for Caesar in against the ships of the Gauls.
Quote: and Scythians could well have serves as marines even if they were probably not the mainstay. Nomad archers tend to be skilled at shooting from a kneeling position on the ground
I would argue that is no particular reason to assume the archers were not citizens in most of the polis that maintained substantial navies (Athens, Rhodes (Hellenistic), Aegina, Samos, etc).
Quote:and the Persian fleet of 480 BCE used Parsa, Mada, and Saka marines (Hdt. 7.96) to supliment their seagoing peoples.
Herodotus also notes that problematically for them, they tended to be unable to swim compared to the Greeks (or Phoenicians) who could. If the Greeks were using similar nomad archer marines I would think Herodotus’s statement (at Salamis) would have covered both sides.
Paul Klos
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\'One day when I fly with my hands -
up down the sky,
like a bird\'