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Greek Helmet/ armour database
Hi to All,

two pictures of one of our reconstructed Composite "Corinthian" helmet, as depicted from a vase painting

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/...931822011/

made of coper 1.5 / 1.2 mm, iron rivets, casted bronze griffons, bronze decoration, linen padding, total weight around 2.8 kilos


Adonis


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Antonis Aliades

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Interesting design
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I saw the "composite Corinthian" in "Ancient Warfare" yesterday, and thought it was very interesting. What's the source for the leather(?) fringe over the eyes?
cheers,
Duncan
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Hi


Hoplite Panoply, 490-480 BCE, Red Figure Hydria - Departement des Antiquites Grecques/Romaines, Louvre.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/7138710627

(photo is not mine, I only have uploaded for educational reasons)

We had a lot of brainstorming to find out what is the "cap" above the eye openings on the helmet (decoration? functional?). We used soft leather strips to make the cap (as appears on our fotos in Ancient Warfare). If you fold the stripes upwards, they shape is similar to original painting.

But (during a sea-side photo shooting) we found out that unfolded they are perfect for fighting onboards or close to sea, where strongsunshine limits the warrior vision.

So sometimes we present the leather strips unfolded (like in Ancien Warfare) sometimes folded.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/5966943063

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/5967385306

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/5967417978


I hope this helps


Adonis
Antonis Aliades

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That's very interesting, Adonis, thanks. I must admit that to me the strips in the original painting do look much shorter than your reconstruction, they don't seem, to my eye, to be "folded" at all. But your group's obviously spent a lot longer studying it than I have!

I'm afraid the last two links in your post come up as "Ths photo is private", though.
cheers,
Duncan
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Hi,

As Duncan Head, I wondered about the sources employed concerning this reconstitution.
Also it was very pleased and interesting to read into the last magazine that i've received of Ancient Warfare.

Thank you for those images and precisions Adonis, and congratulations to your group for this beautiful work.

Scipio_Africanus
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Hi again,

Thank you for the kind comments :-)

Just to mention that the target of the "Composite Corinthian" project was not to create an exact copy of the helmet in painting. We rather wanted to examine the special functional characteristics of the composite construction.

For example you will see that there is a different suspension of the scales than the original. The shape also is a bit different.

Regarding the cap, we also "played" with curly wool (reminding human hair) and metal spring... finally we preferred the leather strips, as they seem to be much more masculine...

I attach 2 fotos of a more final version, with leather strips folded

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/7139933079

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/6993845934


also, I have turned the private links to public ones

www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/5966943063

www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/5967385306

www.flickr.com/photos/koryvantes/5967417978



Adonis
Antonis Aliades

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Just came across this image of a Corintian with a musculata.
Does anyong know the provenances?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2290/2505...f99174.jpg
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They're from some museum in Italy. They weren't found together, and in my opinion they are wrongly displayed in this way, implying they were. Around these objects other random pieces are also displayed, like a pair of different greaves etc.
Khaire
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Anybody have measurements for the lorica? I have a growing list of stuff to do with measuring Greek skeletons from the ages (1600bc +) and I think I need to cross reference via armour pieces, but getting hold of stuff is bloody difficult since I'm so short on time.
Jass
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Some of you may be interested in a recently established database on Facebook. Although it focuses specifically on the 'Corinthian' style of helmet, it is probably the most extensive single reference source on that subject currently on the web. Find it here: https://www.facebook.com/TheCorinthianHelmet
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Do you like greek helmets? Really? Lets have them all then!

Corinthian helmets at the Olympia Museum storeroom.


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What's the status of this project? I can knock something together on my own website (under a subdomain or something) and have a system up and running in short order, I think.

I would be interested in a Greek database that covers not only helmets, but all armour and weapons, both physical specimens and vase-paintings. Would anyone be willing to help out here by supplying pictures, etc. (I have some to donate to the project myself.) The "no nicking" rule still applies, of course. ;-)
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Hmm... we have to see what we can do... To me it is certain that a separate format is necessary as a forum, unless I am missing something on the capabilities of ours, cannot categorize images in a practical manner. I certainly would see such an effort very positively.
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Thinking more on this, there is no compelling reason not to simply include all ancient militaria in a single database. That would allow for comparisons to be made, to select armour based on period as well as culture, etc. You could see what Greeks, Egyptians and Babylonians used for arms and armour around 600 BC, for example, or filter data geographically.
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