Greek Helmet/ armour database

[Decebalus]

This week Dan and me will discuss how to do it finally and then Jasper just has to provide the space
As nobody has posted critics or questions about the suggested classification it seems to be not the badest way it could be done...

Greets,

Decebalus/Andreas Gagelmann

[Paullus Scipio]

ANDREAS/DAN
...sorry to be a nag guys, but we don't want this most important project to go "cold", do we ? :wink:

Any more progress to report? Liaised with Jasper yet? Ready for test samples?...let us try to have something going soon.....for we shall all soon be pre-occupied with Christmas, and then it will be 2008 !

I know we all lead busy lives...... :?

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Hmmm,this thrad seems to be dead...
Here I made a sketch. Would something like that be acceptable? More accuracy? Would you prefer it black and white,just the pensil? Would you be interested at all?

Khairete
Giannis

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Thanks Gioi. I was wondering where were you? Do you see both images in the same size in my second post? In my screen i see the original one bigger. I don't know why,in photoshop the size is 298x320 pixels.
Khaire
Giannis

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Another one.

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Khairete
Giannis

[Paullus Scipio]

Nice drawings Giannis...very good quality! ....I hope you will forgive me though if I say that the photographs would be better from a scholarship point of view........where do these come from? Olympia? Is it possible to ask the copyright owner for permission to use them?

If not, then drawings like your excellent samples will definitely be 'good enough' pending an available photo!

I am a little concerned that we haven't heard from Dan or Andreas, though. I've tried a P.M. to both of them , and checked with Jasper...he hasn't heard anything either.It is looking increasingly as if it is going to be next year before anything happens....... ( cry:

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Hmmm,but then,next year is not really that far
I know info on place/date etc is very important. I proposed such drawings only whre copyright is not given. It may be possible to ask permition for the first helmet(Olympia) since the photo comes from flickr. I mean I could contact the owner. For the second,unfortunately I don't know where it comes from.
I started collecting photos of helmets in a time i didn't care about further details like place and copyright. On the net further info(such as measurments and weight) are rarely given. Thus,I have a relatively big collection with hundreds of helmets, but for many of them I have no info...I couldn't have thought I'd need that when I was 14 :oops:
Khaire
Giannis

[Hoplitesmores]

Can we add something like this below to the database so we know what the difference between "type" and origin of a helm?

I.E.
The type Illyrian helmet originated in the Peloponnese and is Greek at 7th century bc the term "illyrian" is conventional just like all terms for helms.
Terms such as Illyrian and attic are used in archaeology for convenience to denote a particulat type of helmet and do not imply its origin.

Page 60 Peter Connoly,
Greece & Rome at War

* ISBN-10: 185367303X
* ISBN-13: 978-1853673030

[MeinPanzer]

There shouldn't be any problem with beginning the database with pictures personally taken by members of the board here. I personally can provide a few to begin, if the organizers want them.

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Yes but again we need to ask permition to use the photos. The reference of the book would not be enough.

[Hoplitesmores]

I understand.I am more interested in separating and clarifying a conventional term from the origins of the Helm.Both should be stated.

[MeinPanzer]

Yes but again we need to ask permition to use the photos. The reference of the book would not be enough.

I'm just talking about photographs from museums. I've taken these pictures myself, and so I own the copyright to them.

[Giannis K. Hoplite]

Sorry Ruben,I had not seen your previous post and I was refering to Themistokles' message. Yes,we should start vfrom what we have.