Antiken der Sammlung Axel Guttmann

[Igor_Dzis]

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[Hoplitesmores]

Has anyone seen a this type of helm and this version of it in an online museum or something?



Interested in the evolved version with the ear holes as well



the link in the previous post has the two intermediate versions of it.

[PMBardunias]

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your question, but this helmet, is called the "Illyrian type". (Why I don't know since it is Peloponnesian in origin)

I just Googled "Illyrian Helmet Museum" a many sites came up. For example:

http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Helle ... 1217a.html

[Hoplitesmores]

I know the "illyrian" type is ancient greek, the question is have you guys seen any photos from museums from the early version and the final version of it.See the black arrows.



I cant seem to find photos of any of those versions.

[caiusbeerquitius]

images.google.de/images?um=1&hl=de&rlz=1T4GGIH_deDE215DE215&q=illyrian+helmet

[Hoplitesmores]

i have googled it too but i cant find good photos of those two versions

[Susanne]

Hmm do the Greek authorities know about this?

[Hoplitesmores]

Hmm do the Greek authorities know about this?

I don't get auction sites. Under what laws do they function?Someone dug the artifacts up and smuggled them from various countries of origin to the "shop" or "shops"?

[ouragos]

Sadly there will always be those around who have a desire to possess, the money to do it and the brains not to know any better...

However, if you are interested in having one of your own I have just commissioned a copy of an Illyrian helmet from one of the manufacturers we use in India. It will be a copy of the one in the Glyptotech in Munich and, hopefully if they manage to make a good job of it, will be added to their commercial sales list. We only work for our members so do not sell commercially, but we will encourage the manufacturers to advertise this on.

It will probably be a good few weeks before it is completed, but if anyone is interested I will post a picture when received.

...oh, and Susanne... I don't remember the Vogue photographer at Watford... must have missed that one :wink:

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

I have a picture of the one in the Athens Museum, but not with me or in digital format I am afraid!

[Susanne]

IIRC a new paragraph designed to protect antiquities of Greek / Byzantine origin was recently included in an multilateral constitution, but a number of European countries seem to be hesitant to recognizing it.

Some seem to read the notion that the Greek cultural heritage belongs to everyone literally. :/ And because there's such an abundance of artifacts wherever you are it doesn't matter to some if they claim their own finds and put them on the market. It's a shame to see authentic objects being on sale for 5k dollars. Someone should track him down.

And even if these objects eventually end up in a museum there's no documentation coming with them, which means they are useless for future research, unless you do a purely iconographic analysis of course. But you can't put the objects in a wider context.

...oh, and Susanne... I don't remember the Vogue photographer at Watford... must have missed that one

Actually, the photographer was from National Geographic, I have absolutely no idea how and why the photo ended up on the Vogue office...