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Plumbata
[*]Michael:

[*]Continuing on........


  • In your post #664, you disparage Robert’s experiments (and, by implication, those of other re-enactors who have achieved similar results) on the grounds that he is not properly trained in throwing technique and go further to suggest that he is (and they are) thereby disqualified from conducting tests and commenting on the Romans’ use of the weapon. Robert can speak for himself but it seems that, at this point, he switched off and decided that further discussion was a waste of time and effort. In his shoes, I would probably have done the same. This sort if criticism is not only grossly offensive to those who may have spent many years trying to unravel the mysteries of the plumbata but is also fallacious. Your results could be equally invalid for the opposite reason, namely, that you and your sons are too highly trained. You have been at some pains to emphasise your attainments in the field of ball-throwing. This of itself makes you atypical.

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         This is the most difficult part for me because I have no desire to demean Mr. Vermaat's work.  His study of the record and his tracking the discoveries is good work and informative.  That is clearly his strength.  I have apologized to Robert in private for my tone but not for my points which still stand and I stand behind them.  While it is offensive to you that I disparage the prior studies (I cannot claim to have exhausted the literature on the subject, but I have read four of the reports that Robert based his studies on...and I have read both of Robert's studies.  They ALL have fatal, disqualifying flaws), it is offensive to me to see misinformation and fatally-flawed studies being cited as support for further flawed studies. 
[*]I want that cycle to stop. 
[*] My depiction of bicycle vs. tricycle in a prior post is apt and germane.  So, let me make this clear, using yourself, a 50 yo man with no training and no experience in throwing, as the tester is entirely inappropriate.  Even worse, as the only tester.  There are few bigger no-noes in conducting scientific studies than having the researcher act as the test subject.  Surely that is obvious.  And since you are being forthright (a behavior that I whole-heartedly encourage), when I  brought up my credentials in throwing, the response I got was  "lol".  I consider that supremely disrespectful.  When I asked about his throwing experience the reply was "well, I am not an Olympian".  That is obfuscatory and non-responsive.  When asked to clarify certain areas of his report, he provided on three different occasions answers which were in diametric opposition to what he stated in his documents.  I find it difficult to believe that you would respond to me in such a dismissive way and I am surprised that you would suborn such conduct from any professional. 
 So, being forthright, Robert didn't 'disengage', he fled because he was losing the argument and knew it.  I have provided Mr. Vermaat with a more detailed critique of his studies in this area and offered my services to help him craft relevant, scientific studies.  I still hope he swallows his pride and asks me.  I'd love to work with someone with his knowledge and enthusiasm to get the issues I bring up addressed. Heck, Robert even asked me how to hold the plumbata.  That is indicative of how little imagination has been used in the study of these devices.  And, so yes I disparage the work of people who did not use qualified testers, who did not consider environmental factors, and used themselves as test subjects.  I believe it is warranted.  If people feel insulted, they should look at their work more honestly.  They shouldn't feel insulted; they should be embarrassed.

[*]Michael, you seem to be under the misapprehension that I was a tester in my studies.  I did no such thing.  I am familiar with scientific testing protocol (see above) and would not want to taint my findings by inserting myself into that process.  As far as my two sons are concerned, neither has ever played competitive baseball aside from Little League, which ended at 14 years of age and Tester A played on his high school baseball team where he only occasionally was able to crack the starting line-up.  My selection process for the testers would have been better had I a pool of qualified testers from which to randomly draw.  That would make the study more valid.  What I did in using my sons was the equivalent of going to a youth soccer coach (I assume that there are organized youth leagues in England) and asking him/her to provide me with an average kicker and a somewhat above-average kicker to strike balls for me.  If you consider that over-qualified does that mean you prefer the non-qualified testers used in the previous studies?  I apologize that my accomplishments in throwing come off as braggadocio.  All I have claimed is that I once (sadly) had a very strong arm and that I have studied the act of throwing and taught it to many, many people.  I have not played professionally.  As strong as my arm is was, there was always someone around who could best me.  And sometimes by quite a lot.  But all that is moot, as I did not perform any of the tests.
[*]Are you over-qualified as a solicitor because you actually studied for the law?  I find this course of reasoning a bit silly.  


  • In the Minerva article to which Robert provided a link in post #658, David Sims sensibly warns against a fixation with distance at the expense of the weapon’s primary purpose, to inflict a wound of such severity as to kill the opponent or to put him immediately out of action. For my part, I favour an overarm throw, directed at a specific target by the front ranks or, so far as the rear ranks are concerned, of sufficient range as to clear their front rank and to land their missiles amongst the enemy. We need not strive for extremes; a decent average is all that is required. A little humility on this subject would not go amiss.

    I completely agree about distance not being the primary factor as you state it.  However, am I to believe that the Roman's would not have employed a weapon that could kill/wound enemies at a distance?  I find that hard to believe.  Am I to believe that, seeing two legions of experts throwing effectively overhanded, accurately and deadly, that they would not try to train soldiers to emulate that capability?  Doesn't sound very Roman to me.  There are many different battle situations.  Those that could not throw would be relegated to lobbing darts at close range...when that was needed.  Trained skirmishers would be the best throwers because they could  break up attacking enemy formations at a distance and perhaps even stop the attack altogether. 
    There are clues as to how the plumbata was thrown based on the design itself.  Ask any competent archer about fletching and they will inform you that arrows are fletched close to the nock because that is where the feathers provide the most guidance.  The closer to the head the less accurate the arrow.  Yet the plumbata has the fletching well up the shaft, leaving the rearmost length bare.  Why?  It is not to facilitate underhand throwing because, if the fletching were all the way to the rear of the dart one could still grab the open space forward of the fletching and very effectively perform an underhanded throw.  In fact, that throw would be even more accurate because of the ideal positioning of its 'guidance system'.  . No, there is only one reason to  have that bare shaft extending behind the feathers... to facilitate an overhand throw.  And yes, I have tested that.  Day before yesterday.
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So thank you for your considered response.  I encourage others to do so.  I am even okay if you agree with me!  I stand behind my study, both in methodology and results.  I am also willing to take on all comers.  I do feel bad that feelings have been hurt.  How is that to be avoided when one's work shows up the flaws in others'?

Best regards,
Bruce


Moderator:  I cannot get my video to attach.  What could I be doing wrong?


                

(01-05-2019, 10:26 AM)kavan Wrote: Please forgive my ignorance but if there is any connection with the 'modern' pub game of darts and plumbata it is fairly obvious why the grip should be on or just behind the centre of balance.

Kavan, thanks for your question.  Let me try to help you with this: How far do you need to throw a pub-dart? IIRC, regulation darts are thrown at a distance of 6? 8? feet.  To a board in a game where accuracy is highly prized.  Now picture that you have to throw a dart 60 meters.  Doesn't that require adding more power to your throw?  And since it is a bunch of guys named Gort coming at you with spears,  isn't a level of accuracy also important?  With your life on the line?

But you have hit on the main problem: modern day Europeans do not have throwing sports like we in America and so there are relatively few people in Europe who know how to throw overhand using the proper grip and technique.  Thus, there dart world view is like yours - throw them pub-style - and that is precisely what previous studies have done.  At least one study reported giving up on testing overhand because they could only get a maximum of 30 meters out of that method - the pub darts method.  There is even a video showing a person (French, I believe) using an atlatl to throw a plumbata.  The sad thing is that he doesn't even see that the plumbata has the atlatl built in.  I doubt the Romans would have been so obtuse so as not to realize that.  And why would the Romans put a handle on it if it were not to used?

Welcome to the board and feel free to ask me questions.  I hope this answer addresses your concern adequately.
Bruce Pruett
Assume any Latin words appearing in my posts are just guesses.
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Plumbata - by Anonymous - 04-02-2003, 06:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by richard - 04-02-2003, 07:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-02-2003, 10:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Guest - 04-03-2003, 08:56 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 04-03-2003, 01:05 PM
Re: plumbata - by Guest - 04-03-2003, 01:27 PM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 04-03-2003, 01:37 PM
Re: plumbata - by richard - 04-03-2003, 05:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-03-2003, 09:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 04-04-2003, 09:44 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-29-2003, 01:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 07-29-2003, 05:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-15-2003, 05:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-16-2003, 05:27 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-16-2003, 07:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-16-2003, 06:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-18-2003, 02:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 08-18-2003, 02:42 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-18-2003, 04:10 PM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-18-2003, 05:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-18-2003, 10:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 08-20-2003, 11:31 AM
Re: plumbata - by Guest - 08-20-2003, 04:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-20-2003, 10:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-29-2003, 03:12 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 08-29-2003, 03:52 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-29-2003, 06:06 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-29-2003, 12:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-29-2003, 01:37 PM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-30-2003, 04:11 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-30-2003, 07:41 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-30-2003, 07:47 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-30-2003, 09:55 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-30-2003, 01:37 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Jasper Oorthuys - 08-30-2003, 08:59 PM
Re: Plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 08-31-2003, 05:38 PM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 02:39 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 03:38 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 03:43 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 03:57 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 04:36 AM
Clay or not clay.... - by Richomeres - 09-05-2003, 12:45 PM
Clay or not clay? - by Anonymous - 09-07-2003, 01:21 AM
Re: Plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 09-07-2003, 04:52 PM
Re: Plumbata - by drsrob - 09-07-2003, 05:07 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-08-2003, 10:08 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-09-2003, 02:52 AM
Re: Plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 09-09-2003, 02:05 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-09-2003, 10:06 PM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-10-2003, 02:34 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-10-2003, 02:52 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Guest - 09-12-2003, 08:47 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-13-2003, 12:01 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-24-2003, 05:32 AM
Re: Plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 09-24-2003, 12:20 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-24-2003, 09:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 10-23-2003, 01:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-24-2003, 05:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 10-27-2003, 08:36 AM
Re: plumbata - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 10-27-2003, 10:10 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 10-27-2003, 11:18 AM
De Rebus Bellicis - by Robert Vermaat - 12-04-2003, 03:34 PM
Plumbatae and shields - by Crispvs - 12-04-2003, 11:34 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-05-2003, 12:27 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-05-2003, 12:36 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Anonymous - 12-05-2003, 08:05 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-05-2003, 08:25 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Crispvs - 12-05-2003, 08:14 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-05-2003, 11:48 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Crispvs - 12-12-2003, 01:04 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-12-2003, 11:53 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Anonymous - 05-27-2004, 01:20 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 05-27-2004, 04:11 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by aitor iriarte - 05-28-2004, 05:12 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 05-29-2004, 09:57 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by aitor iriarte - 05-30-2004, 07:28 AM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 06-01-2004, 01:39 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-04-2004, 10:55 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-04-2004, 10:57 PM
Comitatus and their Plumbata - by Anonymous - 06-08-2004, 05:31 PM
Staff Sling - by Mithras - 06-09-2004, 08:19 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by Robert Vermaat - 06-09-2004, 10:59 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by aitor iriarte - 06-10-2004, 07:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 06-10-2004, 08:37 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-10-2004, 09:43 AM
Re: Staff Sling - by Mithras - 06-10-2004, 08:40 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by Robert Vermaat - 06-11-2004, 06:01 AM
Re: Staff Sling - by Mithras - 06-11-2004, 01:42 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by aitor iriarte - 06-11-2004, 04:13 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by Crispvs - 06-15-2004, 08:42 AM
Re: Staff Sling - by aitor iriarte - 06-15-2004, 08:56 AM
Re: Staff Sling - by Robert Vermaat - 06-15-2004, 12:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-28-2005, 05:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 09-28-2005, 06:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-28-2005, 09:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-21-2006, 07:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Uwe Bahr - 01-23-2006, 02:01 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-23-2006, 09:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Dan Howard - 01-23-2006, 10:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-23-2006, 11:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-23-2006, 11:08 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-24-2006, 09:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-24-2006, 09:19 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-24-2006, 04:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-24-2006, 09:33 PM
Re: plumbata - by Dan Howard - 01-24-2006, 09:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-25-2006, 12:31 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-25-2006, 01:11 PM
Re: plumbata - by arklore70 - 01-25-2006, 01:17 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-25-2006, 02:01 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-25-2006, 02:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-25-2006, 05:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 01-26-2006, 06:29 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-26-2006, 09:01 AM
Re: plumbata - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 01-27-2006, 07:30 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-27-2006, 08:02 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-27-2006, 01:28 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-27-2006, 04:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-27-2006, 06:08 PM
A very weighty point - by ambrosius - 01-28-2006, 08:51 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2006, 12:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-28-2006, 01:02 PM
A leading question - by ambrosius - 01-28-2006, 05:00 PM
Re: A leading question - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2006, 11:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2006, 11:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-28-2006, 11:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-29-2006, 12:17 AM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-29-2006, 12:24 AM
Re: A leading question - by ambrosius - 01-29-2006, 11:44 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-02-2006, 07:11 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 02-04-2006, 01:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by Dan Howard - 02-06-2006, 10:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2006, 10:59 AM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 02-06-2006, 05:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2006, 06:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by arklore70 - 02-06-2006, 08:33 PM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 02-06-2006, 09:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-07-2006, 12:46 AM
Re: plumbata - by arklore70 - 02-07-2006, 01:01 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-07-2006, 01:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 02-07-2006, 08:36 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-07-2006, 05:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 02-07-2006, 06:31 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-19-2006, 08:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Barbara - 03-29-2006, 04:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-29-2006, 07:27 PM
Re: plumbata - by Susanne - 03-29-2006, 09:39 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-29-2006, 10:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Arthes - 03-30-2006, 02:07 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 03-30-2006, 06:06 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-30-2006, 06:22 AM
Re: plumbata - by Barbara - 03-30-2006, 11:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-30-2006, 05:26 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 03-31-2006, 02:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 03-31-2006, 05:51 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-31-2006, 08:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 03-31-2006, 10:14 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-01-2006, 06:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 04-01-2006, 11:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 04-01-2006, 11:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-01-2006, 11:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 04-02-2006, 12:00 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-11-2006, 06:26 AM
Looking for an article - by Robert Vermaat - 05-30-2006, 01:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by Dan Howard - 05-31-2006, 12:20 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 05-31-2006, 06:17 AM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 05-31-2006, 06:41 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-31-2006, 07:51 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-31-2006, 07:52 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 05-31-2006, 03:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-31-2006, 05:25 PM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 05-31-2006, 05:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2006, 06:26 AM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 06-01-2006, 06:34 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2006, 06:49 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-08-2006, 04:28 PM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 06-08-2006, 04:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-08-2006, 05:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 06-11-2006, 01:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2006, 10:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 06-12-2006, 10:25 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2006, 01:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 06-12-2006, 02:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 06-12-2006, 05:11 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 06-12-2006, 06:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2006, 07:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2006, 07:14 PM
Plumbatae - by ambrosius - 06-18-2006, 12:55 PM
Re: Plumbatae - by Robert Vermaat - 06-18-2006, 04:57 PM
Re: Plumbatae - by ambrosius - 06-25-2006, 01:24 PM
Re: Plumbatae - by Robert Vermaat - 06-26-2006, 06:25 AM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 08-01-2006, 11:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-02-2006, 09:18 AM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 08-02-2006, 09:57 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-02-2006, 02:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 08-02-2006, 08:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-03-2006, 06:07 AM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 08-03-2006, 07:22 AM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 08-04-2006, 12:07 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-10-2007, 01:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by Hibernicus - 01-10-2007, 01:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-10-2007, 02:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-11-2007, 04:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-11-2007, 08:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 01-11-2007, 08:10 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-11-2007, 08:14 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-11-2007, 08:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 01-11-2007, 08:17 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-11-2007, 08:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 01-11-2007, 08:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-11-2007, 09:14 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-11-2007, 11:21 PM
Roman Darts? - by SamKimpton - 01-28-2007, 03:52 AM
Re: plumbata - by SamKimpton - 01-28-2007, 04:05 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2007, 11:10 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-15-2007, 08:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 03-15-2007, 08:45 AM
Re: Roman Darts? - by Marcus Julius - 03-17-2007, 10:01 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-17-2007, 11:06 AM
Re: plumbata - by Tarbicus - 03-20-2007, 07:09 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-20-2007, 07:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-20-2007, 08:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by GaiusAquiliusBritannicus - 03-21-2007, 06:14 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-21-2007, 08:23 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-19-2007, 06:16 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-20-2007, 08:40 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-28-2007, 03:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 04-29-2007, 09:25 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-29-2007, 11:19 AM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 04-30-2007, 07:52 AM
Re: plumbata - by drsrob - 04-30-2007, 10:16 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-30-2007, 11:37 AM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 05-06-2007, 02:00 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2007, 05:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paulus Claudius Damianus - 06-01-2007, 10:53 PM
plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 06-02-2007, 08:49 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-02-2007, 04:41 PM
plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 06-03-2007, 01:10 AM
Re: plumbata - by garrelt - 06-03-2007, 04:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by Marcus Mummius - 06-03-2007, 04:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-03-2007, 05:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-03-2007, 05:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 06-04-2007, 04:18 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-08-2007, 07:29 AM
Re: plumbata - by Marcus Julius - 06-09-2007, 04:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by garrelt - 06-09-2007, 07:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-09-2007, 07:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-09-2007, 08:01 PM
plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 06-10-2007, 04:32 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-10-2007, 03:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-10-2007, 03:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-11-2007, 06:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by Et tu brute - 06-11-2007, 08:11 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-11-2007, 12:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 06-21-2007, 10:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-22-2007, 05:40 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-22-2007, 11:23 AM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 06-26-2007, 12:20 AM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 06-26-2007, 12:56 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-26-2007, 07:16 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-26-2007, 04:23 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-26-2007, 10:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Roy - 08-24-2007, 09:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-25-2007, 12:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-25-2007, 05:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-25-2007, 08:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-30-2007, 09:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-30-2007, 09:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-30-2007, 09:52 PM
plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 08-31-2007, 12:06 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-31-2007, 01:03 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 08-31-2007, 06:44 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-31-2007, 11:22 AM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 08-31-2007, 12:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-31-2007, 12:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-31-2007, 05:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-31-2007, 05:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-31-2007, 05:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-31-2007, 05:57 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-31-2007, 06:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 08-31-2007, 07:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-28-2007, 07:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-28-2007, 08:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-28-2007, 08:13 PM
Plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 10-28-2007, 10:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 10-29-2007, 09:43 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-29-2007, 12:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 10-29-2007, 07:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-30-2007, 06:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-30-2007, 07:39 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-30-2007, 07:44 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-30-2007, 06:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-30-2007, 11:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-31-2007, 06:37 AM
Re: plumbata - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 10-31-2007, 07:59 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-31-2007, 12:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 10-31-2007, 03:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by Peroni - 10-31-2007, 03:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-31-2007, 06:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-09-2007, 04:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-09-2007, 05:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 11-09-2007, 05:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-09-2007, 05:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-09-2007, 06:28 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-14-2007, 04:26 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-14-2007, 04:33 PM
Plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 11-14-2007, 08:33 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-14-2007, 10:43 PM
Plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 11-14-2007, 11:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-15-2007, 12:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-15-2007, 09:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by JVL - 11-19-2007, 03:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-19-2007, 03:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by JVL - 11-19-2007, 03:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by Peroni - 11-19-2007, 03:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-20-2007, 04:33 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-23-2008, 08:39 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-04-2008, 12:46 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 04-04-2008, 07:42 AM
Re: plumbata - by Chilperic - 04-04-2008, 12:55 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 04-04-2008, 02:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Chilperic - 04-04-2008, 03:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 04-04-2008, 03:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 04-04-2008, 04:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Salvianus - 04-05-2008, 12:21 AM
Plumbatae in GB - by Davidus77 - 04-05-2008, 06:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 04-06-2008, 10:07 AM
Re: Plumbatae in GB - by Robert Vermaat - 04-06-2008, 02:01 PM
Plumbatae - by Davidus77 - 04-06-2008, 08:58 PM
Re: Plumbatae - by Robert Vermaat - 04-06-2008, 09:42 PM
Re: plumbata - by Salvianus - 04-06-2008, 10:01 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-06-2008, 10:11 PM
Re: plumbata - by Chilperic - 04-08-2008, 08:06 PM
Re: plumbata - by Salvianus - 04-08-2008, 09:27 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-12-2008, 01:02 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 04-12-2008, 02:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by gaiusseptimiuslucianus - 04-14-2008, 03:11 AM
Re: plumbata - by thecrocman (anton) - 04-14-2008, 04:55 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-18-2008, 03:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 04-18-2008, 07:37 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-20-2008, 05:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-20-2008, 05:43 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-20-2008, 05:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 04-20-2008, 06:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 04-21-2008, 02:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by martijn.wijnhoven - 04-21-2008, 07:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-21-2008, 08:02 PM
Re: plumbata - by martijn.wijnhoven - 04-21-2008, 08:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-22-2008, 06:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by martijn.wijnhoven - 04-22-2008, 06:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-22-2008, 07:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by martijn.wijnhoven - 04-29-2008, 10:47 AM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 04-29-2008, 11:30 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 04-29-2008, 11:35 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-04-2008, 07:25 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-04-2008, 07:28 PM
Plumbata origins? - by Paullus Scipio - 05-06-2008, 07:17 AM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 05-06-2008, 04:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-06-2008, 08:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 05-07-2008, 06:41 AM
Re: plumbata - by Arahne - 07-02-2008, 10:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Bran ap Maclou - 07-02-2008, 11:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-02-2008, 08:06 PM
Re: plumbata - by Bran ap Maclou - 07-02-2008, 08:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-02-2008, 11:45 PM
Re: plumbata - by Arahne - 07-03-2008, 08:42 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-03-2008, 07:05 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-19-2009, 12:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-19-2009, 12:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-31-2009, 03:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-31-2009, 05:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-01-2009, 04:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-02-2009, 03:10 PM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 02-02-2009, 04:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 03-07-2009, 06:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 03-08-2009, 01:20 AM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 03-08-2009, 08:36 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-08-2009, 08:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-09-2009, 07:51 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 03-09-2009, 12:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-09-2009, 12:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-11-2009, 08:36 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-11-2009, 09:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-12-2009, 07:06 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-12-2009, 07:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-12-2009, 08:26 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-13-2009, 05:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 03-13-2009, 05:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 03-14-2009, 08:16 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2009, 03:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2009, 04:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-14-2009, 05:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-14-2009, 05:43 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2009, 05:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-14-2009, 05:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2009, 06:45 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-14-2009, 07:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-03-2009, 10:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by Crispvs - 04-06-2009, 12:37 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-06-2009, 03:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by Crispvs - 04-06-2009, 04:12 PM
Breakage of Plumbatae - by Theodosius the Great - 10-14-2009, 09:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-15-2009, 10:57 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-15-2009, 10:37 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-15-2009, 11:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-16-2009, 07:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by fasta - 10-16-2009, 07:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-16-2009, 08:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by fasta - 10-16-2009, 08:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 10-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-19-2009, 10:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 10-19-2009, 11:02 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 10-20-2009, 12:05 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 10-20-2009, 05:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-22-2009, 11:26 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 10-22-2009, 11:58 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-02-2010, 10:27 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 05-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-03-2010, 08:20 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 05-03-2010, 08:50 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 05-23-2010, 08:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 05-24-2010, 07:58 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-24-2010, 02:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 05-25-2010, 02:27 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 05-25-2010, 07:05 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-27-2010, 12:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Ron Andrea - 07-28-2010, 11:36 AM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 07-29-2010, 07:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 07-29-2010, 08:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 07-29-2010, 11:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-29-2010, 11:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by Astiryu1 - 07-29-2010, 11:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 07:23 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jvrjenivs - 07-30-2010, 08:27 AM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 09:38 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jvrjenivs - 07-30-2010, 09:39 AM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 09:48 AM
Re: plumbata - by ioannes sebald - 07-30-2010, 01:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-30-2010, 03:51 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-30-2010, 03:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 05:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-30-2010, 07:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-30-2010, 07:23 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 08:14 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 07-31-2010, 05:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-01-2010, 09:17 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-01-2010, 12:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-02-2010, 07:43 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-02-2010, 08:27 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-19-2010, 08:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-19-2010, 08:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by Ron Andrea - 08-19-2010, 09:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 08-19-2010, 10:42 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-20-2010, 04:14 AM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-23-2010, 07:28 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-25-2010, 06:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-25-2010, 09:37 AM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-25-2010, 04:42 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-25-2010, 05:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-25-2010, 06:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-25-2010, 07:23 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-26-2010, 09:33 AM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-26-2010, 06:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-26-2010, 06:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-26-2010, 07:08 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-01-2011, 07:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-11-2011, 01:23 PM
Re: thanks, - by M. Demetrius - 04-11-2011, 03:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-24-2011, 04:18 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-31-2011, 08:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2011, 04:23 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-02-2011, 06:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by Matt Collettivs Ave - 06-02-2011, 07:17 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-17-2011, 12:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-27-2011, 09:13 PM
Re: Plumbata - by MDF - 09-27-2011, 09:39 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-27-2011, 09:56 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Vindex - 09-28-2011, 02:45 AM
Re: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 09-29-2011, 02:22 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Virilis - 09-29-2011, 09:25 AM
Re: Plumbata - by MDF - 09-29-2011, 06:35 PM
Re: Plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 09-30-2011, 07:49 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-04-2011, 02:36 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Longovicium - 12-29-2011, 02:15 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-29-2011, 02:42 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Longovicium - 12-30-2011, 12:35 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2012, 06:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 02-06-2012, 06:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2012, 07:45 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-06-2012, 08:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2012, 08:26 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-06-2012, 08:31 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2012, 08:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-06-2012, 09:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 02-06-2012, 09:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 12:23 AM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-16-2012, 01:57 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 02:12 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 02:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-16-2012, 02:25 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 02:40 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 02:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 03:00 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 03:13 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 04:10 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 04:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 06:34 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 09:14 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 01:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-16-2012, 02:17 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 02:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-16-2012, 03:39 PM
Re: Plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 02-16-2012, 06:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 08:10 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 08:12 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Jay - 02-17-2012, 03:52 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-17-2012, 06:33 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Jay - 02-17-2012, 07:51 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-17-2012, 01:52 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Jay - 02-17-2012, 08:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-17-2012, 08:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-28-2012, 04:31 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-23-2012, 08:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2013, 09:01 PM
Plumbata - by Virilis - 03-14-2013, 09:12 PM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 03-14-2013, 10:19 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-14-2013, 11:19 PM
Plumbata - by Gesith - 03-14-2013, 11:25 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-14-2013, 11:30 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 03-15-2013, 03:08 AM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 03-15-2013, 03:10 AM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-15-2013, 03:02 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-15-2013, 05:08 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-15-2013, 05:13 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-15-2013, 05:18 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-15-2013, 07:16 PM
Plumbata - by Gesith - 03-15-2013, 10:53 PM
Plumbata - by Tim - 03-15-2013, 11:14 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-15-2013, 11:30 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-18-2013, 04:47 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-18-2013, 04:52 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2013, 12:32 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 06-12-2013, 07:03 PM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 06-12-2013, 07:09 PM
Plumbata - by Semisalis Abruna - 06-13-2013, 08:54 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-13-2013, 11:02 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-13-2013, 11:07 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-14-2013, 10:21 AM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 06-14-2013, 11:57 AM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 06-15-2013, 09:02 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 06-15-2013, 03:53 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-17-2013, 07:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-17-2013, 07:52 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-06-2014, 01:46 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 05-06-2014, 07:15 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-13-2014, 02:01 PM
Plumbata - by Pavel AMELIANVS - 05-13-2014, 02:09 PM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-13-2014, 02:12 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-13-2014, 02:24 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 05-13-2014, 04:08 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-13-2014, 05:29 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 05-13-2014, 09:56 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-14-2014, 09:29 AM
Re: plumbata - by Miroslav Vujovic - 06-10-2014, 12:29 PM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 06-10-2014, 01:33 PM
Plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 06-10-2014, 01:57 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 06-10-2014, 02:24 PM
Plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 06-10-2014, 03:08 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2014, 10:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2014, 10:51 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-19-2014, 10:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 10-12-2014, 06:05 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-09-2014, 02:00 PM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 12-09-2014, 11:45 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 12-10-2014, 08:05 AM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:41 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:50 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:50 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:55 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:57 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 09:00 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 09:03 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-11-2017, 02:42 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-24-2016, 11:43 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-25-2016, 11:53 AM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-27-2016, 11:05 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-09-2016, 09:39 AM
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RE: Plumbata - by Nathan Ross - 12-14-2016, 02:20 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-14-2016, 09:00 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 12-15-2016, 04:40 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-15-2016, 07:26 AM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 12-15-2016, 06:57 AM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 12-15-2016, 09:19 PM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 02-17-2017, 09:14 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-25-2017, 11:00 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-11-2017, 01:38 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-30-2018, 12:16 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 05-30-2018, 09:23 PM
RE: Plumbata - by nikgaukroger - 07-06-2018, 02:25 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-07-2018, 04:59 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-05-2018, 02:19 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-12-2018, 11:30 AM
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RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-17-2018, 01:58 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-18-2018, 09:40 AM
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RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-19-2018, 10:38 AM
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RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 12-19-2018, 12:12 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-19-2018, 01:34 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 12-19-2018, 02:22 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-19-2018, 09:00 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Mark Hygate - 12-24-2018, 02:56 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-24-2018, 06:11 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-26-2018, 02:03 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-29-2018, 12:18 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 12-29-2018, 08:14 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-29-2018, 03:24 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 12-29-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-29-2018, 04:11 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 01-02-2019, 02:12 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 01-02-2019, 10:12 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 01-04-2019, 05:44 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by kavan - 01-05-2019, 10:26 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 01-06-2019, 12:04 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 01-06-2019, 02:32 AM
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RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 01-07-2019, 07:44 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-04-2019, 12:55 PM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 02-08-2019, 08:51 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-11-2019, 11:56 AM
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Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 03-23-2014, 08:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 03-23-2014, 08:49 PM
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Re: plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 03-24-2014, 10:03 AM
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Re: plumbata - by Renatus - 03-24-2014, 02:33 PM
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Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-27-2014, 03:18 PM
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