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Plumbata
This argument is going round in circles and I'm getting fed up with it. Let me try to make my position clear and then give up.  Please bring your sword so I can give it back to you.

Your whole argument seems to have been that Americans know how to throw and Europeans don't. If I have misinterpreted it, that is how it has come over. I do not believe you understand what I have been saying at all.  Europeans don't look at the plumbata in the same manner as Americans because our perspective is different.  That Europeans do not know how to throw (relative to Americans) is empirically true.  That is why the studies in this area are so fatally-flawed, studies which you defend by saying that 'two of them mention wind direction'.    Faint praise indeed.  They don't even attempt to throw as I advocate.  You maintain that I am saying all sorts of things without actually showing me where I said that.  I am not saying that Roman soldiers could under no circumstances have reached the same standard. That would be absurd. What I am saying is that we cannot assume it and base our analysis on that assumption. It is possible that some may have reached that standard but many, probably the majority, will not. I, therefore, prefer the middling position, neither super-competent nor wholly inadequate but somewhere in between, which conforms to the human condition. Ah yes, Romans striving to be mediocre.

You assume that the appropriate grip is at the end of the shaft behind the flights, which you apparently consider to justify your conclusion that a baseball-style of throw is the correct one. This is not unequivocally established. It is a grip adopted by researchers who felt that a javelin-style delivery did not produce a long enough range. What I want to see is how far a plumbata can be thrown javelin-style after a lengthy period of intense training. Would be good piece of data to have.  After all, that is what the Romans were used to. They were also used to spear-throwing and were practiced in throwing rocks.  They had no need, necessarily, to devise some exotic (lol. see shepherds/rocks statement above.  I mean, where does this come from.  Exotic? This just exhibits a complete lack of understanding.) and form of delivery outside their natural expertise. There appear to be indications that this could satisfy Vegetius' contention that plumbatae outranged javelins, (81 meters outranges javelins.  Vegetius is appeased)).so let a concerted effort be made to see if this can be achieved. It is, frankly, all we need. Only if you have no interest in taking Roman technology to its peak capabilities, an act that is illuminative.  Is there no Marcus Juenkelmann here?  Ranges of great length are an indulgence.  Not if you are a soldier watching the enemy in formation coming at you 100 meters away.

EDIT  The addition to your post was added while I was formulating my reply. I do not dissent from any of that.
Great!  That's a nice start for us to have a discussion.  That discussion I shall put on hold for a while as I have some other commitments at the moment, mostly revolving  guitars and football.  (American football,  You know, the sport where the players do their best to NOT fall down. :winkSmile

Sorry you are fed up, Michael.  I have answered all your points directly and forthrightly.  I have enjoyed the exchange and I regard you highly for having the honesty to challenge me in public.  By voicing your critiques and by my responding we have combined to further enhance the credibility of my work.  For that I thank you.

Next!

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Plumbata - by Anonymous - 04-02-2003, 06:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by richard - 04-02-2003, 07:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-02-2003, 10:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Guest - 04-03-2003, 08:56 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 04-03-2003, 01:05 PM
Re: plumbata - by Guest - 04-03-2003, 01:27 PM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 04-03-2003, 01:37 PM
Re: plumbata - by richard - 04-03-2003, 05:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-03-2003, 09:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 04-04-2003, 09:44 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-29-2003, 01:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 07-29-2003, 05:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-15-2003, 05:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-16-2003, 05:27 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-16-2003, 07:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-16-2003, 06:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-18-2003, 02:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 08-18-2003, 02:42 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-18-2003, 04:10 PM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-18-2003, 05:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-18-2003, 10:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 08-20-2003, 11:31 AM
Re: plumbata - by Guest - 08-20-2003, 04:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-20-2003, 10:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-29-2003, 03:12 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 08-29-2003, 03:52 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-29-2003, 06:06 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-29-2003, 12:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-29-2003, 01:37 PM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-30-2003, 04:11 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-30-2003, 07:41 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-30-2003, 07:47 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Anonymous - 08-30-2003, 09:55 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-30-2003, 01:37 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Jasper Oorthuys - 08-30-2003, 08:59 PM
Re: Plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 08-31-2003, 05:38 PM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 02:39 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 03:38 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 03:43 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 03:57 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-03-2003, 04:36 AM
Clay or not clay.... - by Richomeres - 09-05-2003, 12:45 PM
Clay or not clay? - by Anonymous - 09-07-2003, 01:21 AM
Re: Plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 09-07-2003, 04:52 PM
Re: Plumbata - by drsrob - 09-07-2003, 05:07 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-08-2003, 10:08 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-09-2003, 02:52 AM
Re: Plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 09-09-2003, 02:05 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-09-2003, 10:06 PM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-10-2003, 02:34 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-10-2003, 02:52 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Guest - 09-12-2003, 08:47 AM
Plumbata - by Anonymous - 09-13-2003, 12:01 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-24-2003, 05:32 AM
Re: Plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 09-24-2003, 12:20 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-24-2003, 09:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 10-23-2003, 01:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-24-2003, 05:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 10-27-2003, 08:36 AM
Re: plumbata - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 10-27-2003, 10:10 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 10-27-2003, 11:18 AM
De Rebus Bellicis - by Robert Vermaat - 12-04-2003, 03:34 PM
Plumbatae and shields - by Crispvs - 12-04-2003, 11:34 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-05-2003, 12:27 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-05-2003, 12:36 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Anonymous - 12-05-2003, 08:05 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-05-2003, 08:25 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Crispvs - 12-05-2003, 08:14 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-05-2003, 11:48 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Crispvs - 12-12-2003, 01:04 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 12-12-2003, 11:53 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Anonymous - 05-27-2004, 01:20 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 05-27-2004, 04:11 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by aitor iriarte - 05-28-2004, 05:12 AM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by Robert Vermaat - 05-29-2004, 09:57 PM
Re: Plumbatae and shields - by aitor iriarte - 05-30-2004, 07:28 AM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 06-01-2004, 01:39 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-04-2004, 10:55 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-04-2004, 10:57 PM
Comitatus and their Plumbata - by Anonymous - 06-08-2004, 05:31 PM
Staff Sling - by Mithras - 06-09-2004, 08:19 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by Robert Vermaat - 06-09-2004, 10:59 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by aitor iriarte - 06-10-2004, 07:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Anonymous - 06-10-2004, 08:37 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-10-2004, 09:43 AM
Re: Staff Sling - by Mithras - 06-10-2004, 08:40 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by Robert Vermaat - 06-11-2004, 06:01 AM
Re: Staff Sling - by Mithras - 06-11-2004, 01:42 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by aitor iriarte - 06-11-2004, 04:13 PM
Re: Staff Sling - by Crispvs - 06-15-2004, 08:42 AM
Re: Staff Sling - by aitor iriarte - 06-15-2004, 08:56 AM
Re: Staff Sling - by Robert Vermaat - 06-15-2004, 12:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-28-2005, 05:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 09-28-2005, 06:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-28-2005, 09:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-21-2006, 07:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Uwe Bahr - 01-23-2006, 02:01 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-23-2006, 09:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Dan Howard - 01-23-2006, 10:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-23-2006, 11:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-23-2006, 11:08 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-24-2006, 09:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-24-2006, 09:19 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-24-2006, 04:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-24-2006, 09:33 PM
Re: plumbata - by Dan Howard - 01-24-2006, 09:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-25-2006, 12:31 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-25-2006, 01:11 PM
Re: plumbata - by arklore70 - 01-25-2006, 01:17 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-25-2006, 02:01 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-25-2006, 02:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-25-2006, 05:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 01-26-2006, 06:29 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-26-2006, 09:01 AM
Re: plumbata - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 01-27-2006, 07:30 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-27-2006, 08:02 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-27-2006, 01:28 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-27-2006, 04:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-27-2006, 06:08 PM
A very weighty point - by ambrosius - 01-28-2006, 08:51 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2006, 12:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-28-2006, 01:02 PM
A leading question - by ambrosius - 01-28-2006, 05:00 PM
Re: A leading question - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2006, 11:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2006, 11:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-28-2006, 11:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-29-2006, 12:17 AM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-29-2006, 12:24 AM
Re: A leading question - by ambrosius - 01-29-2006, 11:44 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-02-2006, 07:11 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 02-04-2006, 01:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by Dan Howard - 02-06-2006, 10:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2006, 10:59 AM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 02-06-2006, 05:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2006, 06:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by arklore70 - 02-06-2006, 08:33 PM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 02-06-2006, 09:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-07-2006, 12:46 AM
Re: plumbata - by arklore70 - 02-07-2006, 01:01 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-07-2006, 01:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 02-07-2006, 08:36 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-07-2006, 05:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 02-07-2006, 06:31 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-19-2006, 08:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Barbara - 03-29-2006, 04:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-29-2006, 07:27 PM
Re: plumbata - by Susanne - 03-29-2006, 09:39 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-29-2006, 10:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Arthes - 03-30-2006, 02:07 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 03-30-2006, 06:06 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-30-2006, 06:22 AM
Re: plumbata - by Barbara - 03-30-2006, 11:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-30-2006, 05:26 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 03-31-2006, 02:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 03-31-2006, 05:51 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-31-2006, 08:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 03-31-2006, 10:14 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-01-2006, 06:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 04-01-2006, 11:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 04-01-2006, 11:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-01-2006, 11:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 04-02-2006, 12:00 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-11-2006, 06:26 AM
Looking for an article - by Robert Vermaat - 05-30-2006, 01:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by Dan Howard - 05-31-2006, 12:20 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 05-31-2006, 06:17 AM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 05-31-2006, 06:41 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-31-2006, 07:51 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-31-2006, 07:52 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 05-31-2006, 03:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-31-2006, 05:25 PM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 05-31-2006, 05:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2006, 06:26 AM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 06-01-2006, 06:34 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2006, 06:49 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-08-2006, 04:28 PM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 06-08-2006, 04:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-08-2006, 05:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 06-11-2006, 01:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2006, 10:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 06-12-2006, 10:25 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2006, 01:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 06-12-2006, 02:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by hansvl - 06-12-2006, 05:11 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 06-12-2006, 06:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2006, 07:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2006, 07:14 PM
Plumbatae - by ambrosius - 06-18-2006, 12:55 PM
Re: Plumbatae - by Robert Vermaat - 06-18-2006, 04:57 PM
Re: Plumbatae - by ambrosius - 06-25-2006, 01:24 PM
Re: Plumbatae - by Robert Vermaat - 06-26-2006, 06:25 AM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 08-01-2006, 11:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-02-2006, 09:18 AM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 08-02-2006, 09:57 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-02-2006, 02:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 08-02-2006, 08:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-03-2006, 06:07 AM
Re: plumbata - by Theodosius the Great - 08-03-2006, 07:22 AM
Re: plumbata - by FAVENTIANVS - 08-04-2006, 12:07 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-10-2007, 01:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by Hibernicus - 01-10-2007, 01:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-10-2007, 02:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-11-2007, 04:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-11-2007, 08:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 01-11-2007, 08:10 PM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 01-11-2007, 08:14 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-11-2007, 08:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 01-11-2007, 08:17 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-11-2007, 08:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 01-11-2007, 08:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 01-11-2007, 09:14 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-11-2007, 11:21 PM
Roman Darts? - by SamKimpton - 01-28-2007, 03:52 AM
Re: plumbata - by SamKimpton - 01-28-2007, 04:05 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2007, 11:10 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-15-2007, 08:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 03-15-2007, 08:45 AM
Re: Roman Darts? - by Marcus Julius - 03-17-2007, 10:01 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-17-2007, 11:06 AM
Re: plumbata - by Tarbicus - 03-20-2007, 07:09 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-20-2007, 07:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-20-2007, 08:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by GaiusAquiliusBritannicus - 03-21-2007, 06:14 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-21-2007, 08:23 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-19-2007, 06:16 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-20-2007, 08:40 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-28-2007, 03:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 04-29-2007, 09:25 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-29-2007, 11:19 AM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 04-30-2007, 07:52 AM
Re: plumbata - by drsrob - 04-30-2007, 10:16 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-30-2007, 11:37 AM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 05-06-2007, 02:00 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2007, 05:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paulus Claudius Damianus - 06-01-2007, 10:53 PM
plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 06-02-2007, 08:49 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-02-2007, 04:41 PM
plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 06-03-2007, 01:10 AM
Re: plumbata - by garrelt - 06-03-2007, 04:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by Marcus Mummius - 06-03-2007, 04:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-03-2007, 05:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-03-2007, 05:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 06-04-2007, 04:18 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-08-2007, 07:29 AM
Re: plumbata - by Marcus Julius - 06-09-2007, 04:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by garrelt - 06-09-2007, 07:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-09-2007, 07:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-09-2007, 08:01 PM
plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 06-10-2007, 04:32 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-10-2007, 03:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-10-2007, 03:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-11-2007, 06:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by Et tu brute - 06-11-2007, 08:11 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-11-2007, 12:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 06-21-2007, 10:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-22-2007, 05:40 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-22-2007, 11:23 AM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 06-26-2007, 12:20 AM
Re: plumbata - by ambrosius - 06-26-2007, 12:56 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-26-2007, 07:16 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 06-26-2007, 04:23 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-26-2007, 10:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Roy - 08-24-2007, 09:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-25-2007, 12:08 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-25-2007, 05:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-25-2007, 08:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-30-2007, 09:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-30-2007, 09:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-30-2007, 09:52 PM
plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 08-31-2007, 12:06 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-31-2007, 01:03 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 08-31-2007, 06:44 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-31-2007, 11:22 AM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 08-31-2007, 12:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-31-2007, 12:13 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-31-2007, 05:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-31-2007, 05:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-31-2007, 05:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-31-2007, 05:57 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-31-2007, 06:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 08-31-2007, 07:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-28-2007, 07:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-28-2007, 08:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-28-2007, 08:13 PM
Plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 10-28-2007, 10:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 10-29-2007, 09:43 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-29-2007, 12:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 10-29-2007, 07:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-30-2007, 06:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-30-2007, 07:39 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-30-2007, 07:44 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-30-2007, 06:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-30-2007, 11:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-31-2007, 06:37 AM
Re: plumbata - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 10-31-2007, 07:59 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-31-2007, 12:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 10-31-2007, 03:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by Peroni - 10-31-2007, 03:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-31-2007, 06:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-09-2007, 04:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-09-2007, 05:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 11-09-2007, 05:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-09-2007, 05:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-09-2007, 06:28 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-14-2007, 04:26 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-14-2007, 04:33 PM
Plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 11-14-2007, 08:33 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-14-2007, 10:43 PM
Plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 11-14-2007, 11:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-15-2007, 12:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-15-2007, 09:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by JVL - 11-19-2007, 03:00 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-19-2007, 03:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by JVL - 11-19-2007, 03:34 PM
Re: plumbata - by Peroni - 11-19-2007, 03:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-20-2007, 04:33 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-23-2008, 08:39 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-04-2008, 12:46 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 04-04-2008, 07:42 AM
Re: plumbata - by Chilperic - 04-04-2008, 12:55 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 04-04-2008, 02:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Chilperic - 04-04-2008, 03:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 04-04-2008, 03:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 04-04-2008, 04:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Salvianus - 04-05-2008, 12:21 AM
Plumbatae in GB - by Davidus77 - 04-05-2008, 06:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 04-06-2008, 10:07 AM
Re: Plumbatae in GB - by Robert Vermaat - 04-06-2008, 02:01 PM
Plumbatae - by Davidus77 - 04-06-2008, 08:58 PM
Re: Plumbatae - by Robert Vermaat - 04-06-2008, 09:42 PM
Re: plumbata - by Salvianus - 04-06-2008, 10:01 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-06-2008, 10:11 PM
Re: plumbata - by Chilperic - 04-08-2008, 08:06 PM
Re: plumbata - by Salvianus - 04-08-2008, 09:27 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-12-2008, 01:02 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 04-12-2008, 02:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by gaiusseptimiuslucianus - 04-14-2008, 03:11 AM
Re: plumbata - by thecrocman (anton) - 04-14-2008, 04:55 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-18-2008, 03:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 04-18-2008, 07:37 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-20-2008, 05:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-20-2008, 05:43 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-20-2008, 05:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 04-20-2008, 06:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 04-21-2008, 02:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by martijn.wijnhoven - 04-21-2008, 07:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-21-2008, 08:02 PM
Re: plumbata - by martijn.wijnhoven - 04-21-2008, 08:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-22-2008, 06:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by martijn.wijnhoven - 04-22-2008, 06:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-22-2008, 07:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by martijn.wijnhoven - 04-29-2008, 10:47 AM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 04-29-2008, 11:30 AM
Re: plumbata - by aitor iriarte - 04-29-2008, 11:35 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-04-2008, 07:25 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-04-2008, 07:28 PM
Plumbata origins? - by Paullus Scipio - 05-06-2008, 07:17 AM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 05-06-2008, 04:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-06-2008, 08:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Iagoba - 05-07-2008, 06:41 AM
Re: plumbata - by Arahne - 07-02-2008, 10:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Bran ap Maclou - 07-02-2008, 11:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-02-2008, 08:06 PM
Re: plumbata - by Bran ap Maclou - 07-02-2008, 08:21 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-02-2008, 11:45 PM
Re: plumbata - by Arahne - 07-03-2008, 08:42 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-03-2008, 07:05 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-19-2009, 12:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-19-2009, 12:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-31-2009, 03:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 01-31-2009, 05:53 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-01-2009, 04:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-02-2009, 03:10 PM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 02-02-2009, 04:03 PM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 03-07-2009, 06:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 03-08-2009, 01:20 AM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 03-08-2009, 08:36 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-08-2009, 08:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-09-2009, 07:51 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 03-09-2009, 12:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-09-2009, 12:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-11-2009, 08:36 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-11-2009, 09:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-12-2009, 07:06 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-12-2009, 07:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-12-2009, 08:26 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-13-2009, 05:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 03-13-2009, 05:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Caballo - 03-14-2009, 08:16 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2009, 03:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2009, 04:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-14-2009, 05:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 03-14-2009, 05:43 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2009, 05:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-14-2009, 05:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2009, 06:45 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-14-2009, 07:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-03-2009, 10:30 PM
Re: plumbata - by Crispvs - 04-06-2009, 12:37 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-06-2009, 03:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by Crispvs - 04-06-2009, 04:12 PM
Breakage of Plumbatae - by Theodosius the Great - 10-14-2009, 09:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-15-2009, 10:57 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-15-2009, 10:37 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-15-2009, 11:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-16-2009, 07:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by fasta - 10-16-2009, 07:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by John Conyard - 10-16-2009, 08:07 PM
Re: plumbata - by fasta - 10-16-2009, 08:12 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 10-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-19-2009, 10:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 10-19-2009, 11:02 PM
Re: plumbata - by Paullus Scipio - 10-20-2009, 12:05 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 10-20-2009, 05:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-22-2009, 11:26 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 10-22-2009, 11:58 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-02-2010, 10:27 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 05-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-03-2010, 08:20 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 05-03-2010, 08:50 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 05-23-2010, 08:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 05-24-2010, 07:58 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-24-2010, 02:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 05-25-2010, 02:27 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 05-25-2010, 07:05 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-27-2010, 12:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Ron Andrea - 07-28-2010, 11:36 AM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 07-29-2010, 07:44 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert - 07-29-2010, 08:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 07-29-2010, 11:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-29-2010, 11:52 PM
Re: plumbata - by Astiryu1 - 07-29-2010, 11:56 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 07:23 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jvrjenivs - 07-30-2010, 08:27 AM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 09:38 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jvrjenivs - 07-30-2010, 09:39 AM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 09:48 AM
Re: plumbata - by ioannes sebald - 07-30-2010, 01:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-30-2010, 03:51 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-30-2010, 03:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 05:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-30-2010, 07:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-30-2010, 07:23 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 07-30-2010, 08:14 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 07-31-2010, 05:49 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-01-2010, 09:17 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-01-2010, 12:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-02-2010, 07:43 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-02-2010, 08:27 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-19-2010, 08:15 PM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-19-2010, 08:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by Ron Andrea - 08-19-2010, 09:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Mithras - 08-19-2010, 10:42 PM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 08-20-2010, 04:14 AM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-23-2010, 07:28 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-25-2010, 06:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 08-25-2010, 09:37 AM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-25-2010, 04:42 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-25-2010, 05:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-25-2010, 06:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-25-2010, 07:23 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-26-2010, 09:33 AM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-26-2010, 06:32 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-26-2010, 06:48 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 08-26-2010, 07:08 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-01-2011, 07:50 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-11-2011, 01:23 PM
Re: thanks, - by M. Demetrius - 04-11-2011, 03:54 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-24-2011, 04:18 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-31-2011, 08:04 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2011, 02:55 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-01-2011, 04:23 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-02-2011, 06:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by Matt Collettivs Ave - 06-02-2011, 07:17 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-17-2011, 12:46 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 06-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-27-2011, 09:13 PM
Re: Plumbata - by MDF - 09-27-2011, 09:39 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-27-2011, 09:56 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Vindex - 09-28-2011, 02:45 AM
Re: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 09-29-2011, 02:22 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Virilis - 09-29-2011, 09:25 AM
Re: Plumbata - by MDF - 09-29-2011, 06:35 PM
Re: Plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 09-30-2011, 07:49 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-04-2011, 02:36 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Longovicium - 12-29-2011, 02:15 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-29-2011, 02:42 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Longovicium - 12-30-2011, 12:35 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2012, 06:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 02-06-2012, 06:35 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2012, 07:45 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-06-2012, 08:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2012, 08:26 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-06-2012, 08:31 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-06-2012, 08:40 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-06-2012, 09:09 PM
Re: plumbata - by Vindex - 02-06-2012, 09:16 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 12:23 AM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-16-2012, 01:57 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 02:12 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 02:21 AM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-16-2012, 02:25 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 02:40 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 02:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 03:00 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 03:13 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 04:10 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 04:15 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 06:34 AM
Re: plumbata - by Jay - 02-16-2012, 09:14 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 01:22 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-16-2012, 02:17 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 02:19 PM
Re: plumbata - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 02-16-2012, 03:39 PM
Re: Plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 02-16-2012, 06:24 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 08:10 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-16-2012, 08:12 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Jay - 02-17-2012, 03:52 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-17-2012, 06:33 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Jay - 02-17-2012, 07:51 AM
Re: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-17-2012, 01:52 PM
Re: Plumbata - by Jay - 02-17-2012, 08:38 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-17-2012, 08:47 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-28-2012, 04:31 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-23-2012, 08:59 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-14-2013, 09:01 PM
Plumbata - by Virilis - 03-14-2013, 09:12 PM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 03-14-2013, 10:19 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-14-2013, 11:19 PM
Plumbata - by Gesith - 03-14-2013, 11:25 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-14-2013, 11:30 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 03-15-2013, 03:08 AM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 03-15-2013, 03:10 AM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-15-2013, 03:02 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-15-2013, 05:08 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-15-2013, 05:13 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-15-2013, 05:18 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-15-2013, 07:16 PM
Plumbata - by Gesith - 03-15-2013, 10:53 PM
Plumbata - by Tim - 03-15-2013, 11:14 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 03-15-2013, 11:30 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-18-2013, 04:47 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-18-2013, 04:52 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2013, 12:32 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 06-12-2013, 07:03 PM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 06-12-2013, 07:09 PM
Plumbata - by Semisalis Abruna - 06-13-2013, 08:54 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-13-2013, 11:02 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-13-2013, 11:07 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-14-2013, 10:21 AM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 06-14-2013, 11:57 AM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 06-15-2013, 09:02 AM
Re: plumbata - by M. Demetrius - 06-15-2013, 03:53 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-17-2013, 07:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-17-2013, 07:52 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-06-2014, 01:46 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 05-06-2014, 07:15 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-13-2014, 02:01 PM
Plumbata - by Pavel AMELIANVS - 05-13-2014, 02:09 PM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 05-13-2014, 02:12 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-13-2014, 02:24 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 05-13-2014, 04:08 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-13-2014, 05:29 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 05-13-2014, 09:56 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-14-2014, 09:29 AM
Re: plumbata - by Miroslav Vujovic - 06-10-2014, 12:29 PM
Re: plumbata - by Virilis - 06-10-2014, 01:33 PM
Plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 06-10-2014, 01:57 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 06-10-2014, 02:24 PM
Plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 06-10-2014, 03:08 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2014, 10:45 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-12-2014, 10:51 AM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-19-2014, 10:53 AM
Re: plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 10-12-2014, 06:05 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-09-2014, 02:00 PM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 12-09-2014, 11:45 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 12-10-2014, 08:05 AM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:41 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:50 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:50 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:55 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 08:57 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 09:00 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 09:03 PM
Plumbata - by John Melfordicus - 02-11-2015, 09:06 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-08-2015, 06:10 PM
Plumbata - by Tim NC - 06-08-2015, 09:55 PM
Plumbata - by Markus Montanvs - 06-09-2015, 03:22 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-09-2015, 06:18 AM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-24-2015, 12:12 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 06-24-2015, 01:28 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-25-2015, 06:30 AM
Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 06-26-2015, 08:56 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-28-2015, 09:49 AM
Plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 06-28-2015, 12:09 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-28-2015, 12:37 PM
Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 06-28-2015, 12:41 PM
Plumbata - by Markus Montanvs - 06-29-2015, 02:43 AM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 07-12-2015, 08:01 AM
Plumbata - by Robert - 07-12-2015, 08:58 AM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 07-12-2015, 06:00 PM
Plumbata - by Renatus - 07-23-2015, 03:34 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-24-2015, 12:31 PM
Plumbata - by Vindex - 07-26-2015, 11:48 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-18-2016, 01:35 PM
Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 08-03-2015, 09:59 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 01-14-2016, 02:04 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 06-08-2016, 12:01 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-23-2016, 07:47 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-11-2017, 02:42 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-22-2017, 02:01 PM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-24-2016, 11:43 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-25-2016, 11:53 AM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 11-27-2016, 11:05 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-09-2016, 09:39 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-14-2016, 01:32 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Nathan Ross - 12-14-2016, 02:20 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-14-2016, 09:00 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 12-15-2016, 04:40 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-15-2016, 07:26 AM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 12-15-2016, 06:57 AM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 12-15-2016, 09:19 PM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 02-17-2017, 09:14 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-18-2017, 02:25 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Longovicium - 05-22-2017, 03:06 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-25-2017, 11:00 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 10-11-2017, 01:38 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 05-30-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Longovicium - 07-25-2017, 04:16 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Longovicium - 05-30-2018, 08:01 PM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 05-30-2018, 09:23 PM
RE: Plumbata - by nikgaukroger - 07-06-2018, 02:25 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 07-07-2018, 04:59 PM
RE: Plumbata - by nikgaukroger - 07-07-2018, 09:20 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-05-2018, 02:19 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-12-2018, 11:30 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-05-2018, 04:23 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-13-2018, 06:36 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-17-2018, 01:58 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-18-2018, 02:57 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-18-2018, 09:40 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-18-2018, 06:13 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 12-19-2018, 10:38 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-19-2018, 06:55 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Mark Hygate - 12-24-2018, 02:56 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-26-2018, 02:03 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-29-2018, 12:18 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 12-29-2018, 08:14 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-29-2018, 03:24 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 12-29-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 12-29-2018, 04:11 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 01-02-2019, 02:12 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 01-04-2019, 05:44 PM
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RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 01-05-2019, 07:19 PM
RE: Plumbata - by kavan - 01-05-2019, 10:26 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 01-06-2019, 12:04 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 01-06-2019, 02:32 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 01-06-2019, 04:03 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 01-06-2019, 05:45 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 01-06-2019, 06:40 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 01-06-2019, 07:40 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 01-06-2019, 09:20 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Brucicus - 01-07-2019, 01:18 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Renatus - 01-07-2019, 07:44 AM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 02-04-2019, 12:55 PM
RE: Plumbata - by brennivs - tony drake - 02-08-2019, 08:51 PM
RE: Plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 04-11-2019, 11:56 AM
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Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 11-22-2011, 11:24 PM
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Re: plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 03-23-2014, 08:49 PM
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Re: plumbata - by ValentinianVictrix - 03-24-2014, 10:03 AM
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Re: plumbata - by Renatus - 03-24-2014, 02:33 PM
Re: plumbata - by Flavivs Aetivs - 03-24-2014, 02:58 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 03-27-2014, 03:18 PM
Re: plumbata - by Robert Vermaat - 09-16-2014, 01:23 PM
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