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I just happened upon this image off a vase found at Athens dating to about 510 BC which shows great plumes afixed to the helm.
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It could be just a Hoplite Rabbit, you know. :lol:
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Are you sure that this is a plume? To me it looks as if it could be a Feather as well, but a plume would be very exotic (to me).
But it looks indeed interesting!
Thanks for sharing.
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Side-Feathers, while generally considered typically Italian, appear on a number of helmets from Classical times through Macedonian in an unmistakeably Greek context too....I know of several examples.....
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Certainly, and thems definately feathers...
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Quote:Side-Feathers, while generally considered typically Italian, appear on a number of helmets from Classical times through Macedonian in an unmistakeably Greek context too....I know of several examples.....
I found a bunch as well from around 500-550 at Athens. I had thought, as you say that they were associated with Magna Grecia at this date and in Greece appear later. You learn something new everyday.
I think they are feathers as well, I should not have called them plumes.
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Quote:Quote:Side-Feathers, while generally considered typically Italian, appear on a number of helmets from Classical times through Macedonian in an unmistakeably Greek context too....I know of several examples.....
I found a bunch as well from around 500-550 at Athens. I had thought, as you say that they were associated with Magna Grecia at this date and in Greece appear later. You learn something new everyday.
I think they are feathers as well, I should not have called them plumes.
In Macedonian contexts they seem to have been a marker of officers, and can be seen in many different sources.
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