12-04-2008, 11:25 PM
Because tomorrow (December 6) is the saint's day of Nicholas of Myra, here is my annual reference to this article about the good man, who is still worshipped in the Netherlands, Flanders, and northern Germany.
Nicholas of Myra
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12-04-2008, 11:25 PM
Because tomorrow (December 6) is the saint's day of Nicholas of Myra, here is my annual reference to this article about the good man, who is still worshipped in the Netherlands, Flanders, and northern Germany.
12-05-2008, 06:30 PM
Yeah, Sinterklaas is coming! :lol:
Valete,
Titvs Statilivs Castvs - Sander Van Daele LEG XI CPF COH VII RAET EQ (part of LEG XI CPF) MA in History
12-05-2008, 09:43 PM
If you do a search you will see the issue has been discused before.
Our friend Jona Lendering had started it. Good info there. Kind regards
HOPLITE14GR (aka Stefanos)
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12-05-2008, 10:13 PM
Quote:If you do a search you will see the issue has been discused before.Yep, and I will continue to celebrate the good man's saint's day every year - hey, I'm Dutch, I have to.
12-05-2008, 10:33 PM
I remember the Dutch celebrations in Borneo from my childhood with a great deal of fondness! (helped greatly by the gingerbread and that powder salt confection)
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
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12-06-2008, 11:44 PM
Nicholas of Myra is the Christian personalization of Odin.
However, facts indicates that Sinterklaass is merely Germanic heathen in its origin. The Christians made from Odin himself a Christian symbol, mixed with the legend if Nicholas of Myra.
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12-07-2008, 03:00 AM
Quote:The Christians made from Odin himself a Christian symbol, mixed with the legend if Nicholas of Myra.Yep, that's true - northwest-European representations of Saint-Nicholas on horseback are similar to Odin on his horse. Of course this says nothing about the Greek and Russian cult of old Nic.
12-07-2008, 10:05 AM
Quote:Netherlands, Flanders, and northern Germany...and switzerland, and southern Germany, and Austria, and south Tyrolia...
Christian K.
No reconstruendum => No reconstruction. Ut desint vires, tamen est laudanda voluntas.
12-07-2008, 01:24 PM
The saintly figure seemed to have absorbed lots of different cultural elements.
In the 6th century A.D. the saint's day and X-mass were muscj ascoiated if we trust Procopius quoting Belisarius about "St Nicolas day where elders become childlike as our Savior was born". Torvlad, the saint seems also to be the patron saint of the mariners in many places so I will argue connection with Egir or Mannanan rather than Odin. Kind regards P.S Niclaus cookies are Spendit!
HOPLITE14GR (aka Stefanos)
Phokean Ekdromos http://hetairoi.de/ http://hoplomachia.gr http://stefanosskarmintzos.wordpress.com
12-07-2008, 03:37 PM
Quote:Is the horse also there? Wow. I didn't know that.Quote:Netherlands, Flanders, and northern Germany...and switzerland, and southern Germany, and Austria, and south Tyrolia... I'm not quite sure, BTW, whether the horse is really medieval. It is often said, but evidence for sixteenth-century Dutch Saint-Nicholas never shows the animal. It may be a later invention. |
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