5th century kit?

[Chuck Russell]

whatya think? click on pics for larger view

[Marcus Mummius]

Nice!

Will you paint the hilt or will you put dyed leather over it?

[Chuck Russell]

i think i will put some boiled linseed oil on it to seal it. i just didnt get to it in the fall and got too excited and put it together today.

so what about a tunic and belt? i have the set of W-90 buckle from http://www.quietpress.com/frankish.html#A10 but wasn't sure what the belt would look like, nor how it was constructed. the tunic designs? any easy hints or layouts?

[Theodosius the Great]

Astounding !

I recognize all three items from photos of originals or drawings but never actual replicas. Theses are quite inspiring, Chuck.

Am I right in assuming this is for a "Roman" impression ? Or is it Foederati ? And which half of the Empire ?
Knowing which may help answer your question about tunics to some extent.

~Theo

[Chuck Russell]

i'm not sure yet. I'm not that studied that far thats why i asked so i could research on what way to go after that. I do have a nice lil Franciscan axe if needed to add to the kit as well. if its not, i'll add it to another impression later.

thanks for the compliments.

[caiusbeerquitius]

W-90Both $39.95 each. 1 3/4" by 4 7/8" or 4.7 cm by 12.5 cm. With split rivets for attachment from a buckle shown in Die Goten by Verlag. Often these buckles had matching plates opposite the buckle. We do offer this set.

hihi... "Verlag" means "press"... wink: Nice plates, though...

[Theodosius the Great]

i'm not sure yet. I'm not that studied that far thats why i asked so i could research on what way to go after that.

It's just as well. Either way you have a variety of choices.

Well, generally speaking, tunics are quite elaborate compared with 1st and 2nd century tunics. Segmentae decorations on the hem and shoulders were more common than roundels by the 5th century, IIRC. Here you can see a 5th century Egyptian tunic. If you'd like to have someone make you a similiar tunic I suggest you ask Cheyenne although it may be a while before she can start one for you. Here's the thread : http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... highlight=

But a simple tunic with a solid color is also an option. They were not unknown but probably not common either. Here's the "Seasons mosaic" from Argos showing a soldier with a solid red tunic. The other tunic is relatively simple but the wearer probably isn't a soldier.

Another mosaic showing a plain, solid tunicfrom Santa Maggiore, dating from the 430s.

Another panel from the same church, and another one here.

Sleeves around the forearms should probably be very tight. Mosaics always show this but most surviving tunics do not reflect this feature. Tunics found in Germanic territory are much more form-fitting to the body than the Egyptian and Syrian tunics. So, there are regional differences in fashion.

To help your research I suggest you visit this website : http://www.gryph.com/byzantine/tunica.htm

And I would strongly suggest you buy Osprey's "Roman Military Clothing(3) " or any other book by Graham Sumner. He's done very thorough research and presents a plentitude of evidence.

~Theo

[Franklin]

Where did the shield boss come from Chuck?

[Chuck Russell]

Primvis Pavlva but he got it from ummm. ummm that guy in germany i think that makes all teh awesome shield bosses and pressed coolus helmet tops. ug i've lost all my book marks so i can't find it for ya.

[Franklin]

What did you pay for it? I think Mark Morrow will do a custom one for 30-40 bucks.

[Chuck Russell]

more than that but its got a nut in the center (cant really see it in the pics) and i got 4 long nails with huge heads to attach it to the shield.

[Ulfwin]

Primvis Pavlva but he got it from ummm. ummm that guy in germany i think that makes all teh awesome shield bosses and pressed coolus helmet tops. ug i've lost all my book marks so i can't find it for ya.

This one?

http://www.rudis-kuenstlerwerkstatt.de/ ... -helme.htm


Cheers,

Ulfwin

[Chuck Russell]

Primvis Pavlva but he got it from ummm. ummm that guy in germany i think that makes all teh awesome shield bosses and pressed coolus helmet tops. ug i've lost all my book marks so i can't find it for ya.

This one?

http://www.rudis-kuenstlerwerkstatt.de/ ... -helme.htm


Cheers,

Ulfwin

thats the guy! its super nice!