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5-6th century dagger
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02-14-2009, 12:52 AM
can someone offer some references/patterns/pics for an accurate late 5th/early 6th century romano-british dagger? would a pugio still be in use or is that too old fashioned? i was thinking maybe a seax would be considered too barbaric?

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02-14-2009, 08:46 AM
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Not sure if this would be a viable option?
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02-14-2009, 09:09 AM
You may want to look at this:

http://www.comitatus.net/Documents/Roma ... nson-2.pdf
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02-15-2009, 09:54 AM
wow. thanks. those are amazing! any of the speculative pictures i had seen over the years had me expecting to see something longer and slimmer. i would have expected to see these in a b-movie based on robert howard stories more than in museum pictures!
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02-15-2009, 10:11 AM
There you go... :wink:
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02-16-2009, 01:08 PM
I read Stephen's article on Germanic knives several times - excellent resource and the utility of the designs is very clear. Big Grin

Interesting knife there, Gaius Julius: seems to be in a very different tradition, with that nice recurve - I would have guessed Iberian? Is that a British find?
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02-16-2009, 01:46 PM
Not 100% sure Silvianus. Its in the BM, but on that card, the serial number starts with GRxxxxxx
Would that stand for Greece, or is it just a coincidental similarity? Anyone familiar with the BM's catalog system?
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02-16-2009, 01:58 PM
I think there are 2 similar daggers at the Roman museum at Augsburg, also termed Hunting Knifes, which reportedly came from Gaul IIRC.
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02-16-2009, 02:23 PM
Quote:Not 100% sure Silvianus. Its in the BM, but on that card, the serial number starts with GRxxxxxx
Would that stand for Greece, or is it just a coincidental similarity? Anyone familiar with the BM's catalog system?

I think I've found it:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/s ... rentPage=1

I'll try to find a pic,but as yet all it says its from a collection and doesn't give an origin.
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02-16-2009, 07:34 PM
Sounds like the one, pit with all that text, it basically tells us little beyond what the card does!! :roll: Sad
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02-16-2009, 07:49 PM
Chances are as it was donated from a private collection to the BM they are reluctant to state where the find came from.
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