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Hi , Can anyone help .
Do any of you wear a long sleaved Tunic for your Greek Hoplite Impression ? I know you normally wear a Chiton but the reason I am asking is that I have Tatoos on my upper and lower arms ( result of being in the British army ) and I want to hide them when I am in kit .
I would love to see any pics if you have them please .
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Julius .
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Julius,
Its my opinion that there is no such thing as a sleeve in archaic and classical greece. That said, you can simulate the effect by making the type of chiton that buttons or is sewn closed along the top edge. You can see me in one here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39955653@N ... 597792305/
Its based on the charioteer statue with the buttons instead of the gathered seam (I was trying out a few things):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charioteer_of_Delphi
Although I don't have the bondage harness to keep it snug yet 
Made out of the right wool (see Kineas' post on the wool order) you can turn it into a chitoniskos easily enough by hiking it up through the zone until its at the desired length. You'll also need a lot of wool (~3 yards) in order to get it to hang right.
Also note the ~2:3 ratio of the size of the back of the neck opening to that of the front in the original. A bit tipsy at the time, i'd put mine on backwards
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Strictly based on Artwork the sleeved thessalian chiton appears in the classicalperiod but having lived in Thessaly I am inclined to think that it is earlier.
Sleeved Thessalian chiton appears in Macedonian tomp frescoes of 4th century.
There are examples of Bronze Age sleeves chiton so in my opinion you are historically accurate with a sleeved chiton even ih the Archaic period.
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Stefanos,
You've mentioned a "thessalian chiton" twice on this forum, but you're the only person who's ever mentioned one...
Could you provide a couple of dated sources/pics so we can see what you're talking about?
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4th century thessalian chiton:
http://www.alexanderofmacedon.info/imag ... aoysas.jpg
Alexander in Arbella:
http://www.alexanderofmacedon.info/imag ... _issus.jpg The term thessalin chiton comes from his biografers
Still looking fro the Bronze Age sleeves
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I dont know if this will help, but I have ink on both shoulders and I found a couple ways to get around it.
I have one tunic that is sewn along the top like a Roman tunic, which is in the pic in my av, and I found that is excellent for covering pretty much anything, but I am not certain of its authenticity. I've also been experamenting with a chiton like Nikalos has which seems like it will work well for the upper arms, but im not finished with it yet, so I cannot say for certain.
As for the lower arms, do you have it on both arms or just one? Ive known guys who have ink to cover them with bandages and make them out to be a wound to hide them and it can work alright, but I dont know how well that would work if you did it with both arms.
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This is not really on topic, for they don't cover the arms, but I happened upon these great images and though they may be of interest. (is that a hat in the upper right???)
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Yes it is a hat. Frequently herlad in Attic pottery wear it.
Guessing from the images im must have been initally at least a peculiarity of the Megara - Elefsina Area.
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Go medieval pilgrim hat. The blank I used for the Boeotian seen here:
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Could easily be turned into one of those with the application of a little steam. Mine will also be the liner for my just about completed Lonely Mountain Forge Boeotian Helmet (needs polishing/crest/straps, all of which I'm taking care of):
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Stefan,
Are the 4th century references the earliest sources for the "Thessalian Chiton"? In general my interest drops off after 450 BCE, but I'd be curious to see when the transition appears to be.
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Quote:Yes it is a hat. Frequently herlad in Attic pottery wear it.
Probably just coincidence, but it looks a lot like a hat worm by medieval Byzantines. I just did some checking and that hat seems to be of Turkic origin.
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Thanks you for your replies . You see I have Tatoos on both forearms as well upper arms and shoulders and when I visit schools or when schools visit me then I try and cover them as much as I can but for my Greek impression I used to wear a pair of vambraces which slide up and down and are really no good .
Stefanos Iam pleased you have come up with the long sleeved Chiton That will do fine .
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If you're doing a Hellenistic impression 
Another option is a boxer's handwraps, which extend up over the forearm.
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Julius, still looking for the Bronze Age sleeved chitons.
If I find them the we can propably claim with certainty pre-4th century chitons.
Although as I said after been tin Thessaly north Greeks had more winter-worth clothing than south Greeks.
Paul you are right on the Byzantine hat having Alan origins-not Turcic.
I dont see though the Paleologos hat as being the same with the ancient cup, actually its quite different.
The "Attik" cup would be close to medieval "Robin Hood" style rather than Byzantine.
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What about bronze upper arm guards? I don't know what type of Thorax you have, but if its bronze than this works fine.
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Just by chance I noticed some kind of armlet on the hoplites in this eary fragment from Sparta. I don't know what they were.
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