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Early greek kopis reconstruction
#16
If you can get them, it would be very useful. At least I would be able to do a direct comparison with our reconstruction, which was based solely on the estimates of human hand width. What about the site where it was found?
Juraj "Lýsandros" Skupy
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In the old times, people were much closer to each other. The firing range of their weapons simply wasnt long enough Smile
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#17
No probs. Am away (from home) till the 01/09, but will happily fwd you the details as soon as I get back. Re: the site, if you're asking about the archaeological site I believe it was from the Athenian Agora but I'll double check when I get home. If you're looking for a website I'm afraid I can't help - the info is from personal research - was in Athens over the summer and was granted access (for study) to said sword and some other weapons. Anyway, will fwd the details on to you asap.

K
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#18
Heya Lysandros,

Apologies for the delay. Back from my holidays now and so here are the dimensions of the kopis from the National Museum in Athens. Bare in mind that the one I examined had it's handle bent over backwards and leans in towards the blade. In all other respects it is the same sword as the one in your picture. Anyway here goes:


Described as Iron Sabre/Kopis in the Musuem
Length excluding handle: 56 cm
Length of the curved back part (i.e. handle + small part of the blade): 15.5 cm
Because handle is bent over I measured height difference between it and the blade (makes the overall more accurate ): 5.5 cm
Max width of the blade: 5 cm
Min width of the blade (in towards the tip - very end of tip missing): 0.5 cm
Mid rib (i.e. ridge that runs down the center of the blade) runs at max width from bottom edge (cutting edge) of blade: 1,7-2 cm
From top edge, max: 3 cm (Maximums were measured at the widest part of the blade)
Thickness of the blade, max. (closest to handle): 0.5 cm; from there it gradually thins to 0.1/0.2 cm at tip of blade
Handle total dimensions (shaped like a bird's head); L: 12.5 cm, W: 7 cm (small part juts out at near 8 cm)
Gap in handle (i.e. where hand fits); L: 9 cm, W: 3 cm - it's curved to better fit the outside of the hand but the measurements are the same
Grip part of the handle; L: 10 cm (excludes bird's head which provides cover for hand and measures approx 5 cm in L), Max W: 3 cm, Min. W: 2 cm (towards bird's head)
Thickness of handle, at max. thickness (by blade) at 2 cm, at min thickness 1.5 cm
Didn't have any portable scales with me so couldn't get precise weight - will try to rectify this in the near future.
Hope this helps.

K
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#19
Great information,thanks for posting!
Here are photos i took from the National museum:
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3424/388 ... a163_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2664/388 ... 86fd_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/388 ... 226c_b.jpg
And another sword that must have been found with that iron cuirass I think in Corfu:
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The two swords look almost identical,with the one fro corfu seeming a bit longer or narrower.
Khairete
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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#20
Wow! Excellent information, many thanks! You can rest assured that your effort is deeply apprechiated and will not end up in vain. We will use the measurements and information to make further kopis' reconstructions more precise. This wont happen before christmass though as our financial reserves are bleeding heavily from the finishing stages of Hyperborea, our ship.
Juraj "Lýsandros" Skupy
Dierarchos
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In the old times, people were much closer to each other. The firing range of their weapons simply wasnt long enough Smile
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#21
That is a beautiful sword Juraj- definitely inspires me to get on with making one myself (another of a long line of pieces I really want to try :wink: )

And that's a really cool artifact Giannis- I like the small raised rib over the sometimes multiple 'fullers' on some of these swords, which would be far harder to do. Plus I'm more interested in the slightly earlier stuff myself.
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#22
beautiful blade.Post pic that shows the whole weapon with the point
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#23
Bonhams has a 4th C Macedonian kopis for sale a bit out of my price range Big Grin
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Peter Raftos
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#24
Wow! It's Beautiful! Confusedhock: It's not that expensive for what it is... Another example of these swords being made all in one piece,blade and handle.
Thanks for posting
Khaire
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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#25
I have decided to sell the sword - you can find the appropriate topic in the marketplace Wink

http://www.romanarmytalk.com/67-for-sale...-sale.html
Juraj "Lýsandros" Skupy
Dierarchos
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In the old times, people were much closer to each other. The firing range of their weapons simply wasnt long enough Smile
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