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Hello everybody. I was looking at this kind of shield, but i dont' even know the name of it.
thinking to get some informations about size and construction of this....
Hope someone would responde...
Thanks!
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sorry for my very bad english.
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I always believed it was an Illyrian shield, could be wrong though.
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I dont' know if this kind of shield is illyrian or makedonian.
I'm much more interested in size, weight, and shape.
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I know that its around 60 cm in diameter and is round. Probably made of bronze or wood with a layer of bronze, not sure of that with Phalangites.
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Quote:I know that its around 60 cm in diameter and is round. Probably made of bronze or wood with a layer of bronze, not sure of that with Phalangites.
it's like a little aspis?
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Yes, though its also strapped around the shoulder for some support since the Phalangite had to carry it with both arms. Though is could act as a small Aspis when a Phalangite discarded his spear. (Its still a big shield)
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Its name was pelte. We don't know where the name comes from,but the greeks previously were refering with this name to the round or crescent thracian shield. Phalangites were also called peltasts,like the earlier light armed javelineers with the thracian shield.
It was round between 60-75 cm in diameter,with probably wooden core like the hoplite aspis. Certainly some times it was covered with thin bronze,as such covers have been found. It was hollow but not as much as the aspis. Between the wood and the bronze face there have been found traces of papyrus for padding.
Some of the popular macedonian pelte designs are also present in Ilyrian shiels,that were also sound but must have been smaller and central gripped. The macedonian pelte has a porpax similar to the aspis and an antilabe,although it wouln't have been held when fighting with the sarissa. In the macedonian phalanx,the weight of the pelte would have been carried by a shoulder strap,although most probably the left arm would still have been passed through the porpax.
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Quote:It was hollow but not as much as the aspis.
This is hard to say, for some are more bowl-shaped than the aspis. This makes sense if you consider that even if the depth of the bowl was the same, the smaller diameter requires more steep curves.
See some examples posted on the "Weight and grip of sarissa and shield in macedonian phalanx" thread below.
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Yes,indeed this valuable silver plate shows two very deep peltes,however the bronze gaces found don't seem to have been that deep,and the sculptures usually show them quite shallow. I agree it's hard to be sure there weren't deep ones,but i don't think the statement that they were generally shallower than the aspis would be incorrect. In fact i think(though i ought to try it muself to say it with certainty) that in order to both have your arm through the porpax and hold a sarissa, and given that the diemeter is smaller, the pelte couldn't be that much deep. But on the other hand,that plate shows differently.
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i thought that the pelta was the half-moon shield used by thracian light infantry.
![[Image: Ificrate%20pelta.JPG]](http://www.summagallicana.it/lessico/i/Ificrate%20pelta.JPG)
what about size, and dimensions? i wanna make this shield (the pahalanx pelta), because i have a little stock of extra wood and i was thinking to try it.
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It is possible that you have missed my first post. There i explain about the name and the size.
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I agree that many (most?) were shallower than an aspis, but clearly there was variability. We are told the "best" of them are "not too hollow," which seems to imply that the "worst" were. Some of that sculpture I posted on the other thread seem pretty deep to me- and they are very late. As to a smaller shield not being able to be deep, look at the Hoplomachus gladiator below. While, counter to his designation, there is no direct link between his shield and a macedonian one, it does show how a small shield can be deep- and he is holding a dagger as well in his shield hand.
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The tomb of Lyson and Kallikles provides examples. This video might make a better guide.
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Quote:It is possible that you have missed my first post. There i explain about the name and the size.
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Yes Giannis, sorry. But how much deep i have to make it?
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Quote:But how much deep i have to make it?
That depends on what you want to portray, but you cannot go wrong followng the shallower type like this one from Pergamum:
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