Greek helmets galore

[MeinPanzer]

Well, I have no doubt that the corinthian helmet in its upturned position was an iconographic fiction.
Fact: The first depictions of the upturned position can be dated around 530 BC.
Fact: The corinthian helmet is ca. two centuries older.
Simple question: Why wasn't the upturned position depicted earlier?

It seems likely to me that the depiction of the Corinthian worn in the upright position was an iconographic innovation, but I don't think it can be doubted that soldiers would have worn their helmets upturned sometimes when not in combat. Perhaps the upturned position was simply introduced by one artist, and then caught on from there?

You're right, it was well theorized (e. g. Waurick 1988) that they did emerge from the attic helmet, but so far a direct evidence was missing. The hellenistic attic helmets are mainly composed of seven pieces: two halves of the calotte, one "triangle"-piece, one frontlet-piece, the neck-guard and two cheekpieces. I was able to identify a helmet from the 4th century without the protruding frontlet, but constructed in the same manner from seven pieces.

Is that a published helmet?

14 of the 16 are published, but mostly in very, very difficult to find russian books. Two are, as far as I know, unpublished. The fragments are: one "triangle"-piece from Egypt (no better provenance known), two casts of "triangle"-pieces from Memphis, one calotte-fragment from Vergina, a cheekpiece from Vergina, a cheekpiece from Aiani, a cheekpiece from Odessos-Levski, one frontlet-fragment from Lake Chokrak (Crimea) and two calotte-fragments from Elizavetovskaja Stanica (Russia).

I'm curious what your criteria are for determining that something is "Attic." What do you include within this term? With the mixing and matching of helmet characteristics that is so common in the Hellenistic period, how can you be sure that, for instance, a frontlet piece like the one from lake Chokrak or a cheekpiece belongs to one particular type of helmet?

This helmet (according to my terminology a "piloid") wasn't part of the Guttmann collection. As far as I know, it was offered for sale by the Royal Athena Galleries and came from an european collection. For the type of the helmet, please compare depictions on the weapon-reliefs from Pergamon.

I am trying to find information about this (apparently unprovenanced) helmet because it seems to have been found with remnants of mail, which would make it an extremely important Hellenistic find. Macedonia seems a likely provenance, though, given that a fairly well-preserved helmet of this type was found in Upper Macedonia in a 2nd c. BC cavalryman's grave.