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Greek helmets galore
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10-01-2009, 07:21 PM
Quote:As for the helmet on the Sidon stele, I would have to disagree with you... I think it is related to the Attic/Thraco-Attic type, but it is its own distinct type, since it has A) no frontlet/volutes, B) a very prominent visor, and C) a "boxy" or wide crest. You're right, yes, but it's the closest parallel in art that I am aware of!
Jörg
10-01-2009, 07:51 PM
That helmet you posted Byron reminds me of one drawn by the Niobid painter.
Paul M. Bardunias
MODERATOR: [url:2dqwu8yc]http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=4100[/url] A Spartan, being asked a question, answered "No." And when the questioner said, "You lie," the Spartan said, "You see, then, that it is stupid of you to ask questions to which you already know the answer!"
10-01-2009, 07:53 PM
Quote:But beware! The griffin on top, the sandals(!) on the sides and the coin are later additions by Campana! Thanks for the image- and for the heads up on its alterations!
Paul M. Bardunias
MODERATOR: [url:2dqwu8yc]http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=4100[/url] A Spartan, being asked a question, answered "No." And when the questioner said, "You lie," the Spartan said, "You see, then, that it is stupid of you to ask questions to which you already know the answer!"
10-01-2009, 11:54 PM
Quote:That helmet you posted Byron reminds me of one drawn by the Niobid painter. That's a very interesting helmet Byron, and a very nice representation of another. While we're on the topic of unusual helmet types, maybe someone can comment on this one: http://www.antiquemilitaryhistory.com/i ... elmet1.JPG http://www.antiquemilitaryhistory.com/i ... elmet2.JPG http://www.antiquemilitaryhistory.com/i ... elmet3.JPG From Kaitsa in Phthiotis and dating to the 5th c. BC. The inscription reads "POPILOS THESSALON." It's definitely unlike any other Greek helmet I've seen before, but the frontlet is oddly reminiscent of later Attic types.
Ruben
He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
10-02-2009, 12:12 AM
Quote:From Kaitsa in Phthiotis and dating to the 5th c. BC. The inscription reads "POPILOS THESSALON." It's definitely unlike any other Greek helmet I've seen before, but the frontlet is oddly reminiscent of later Attic types. What the ...  hock: Is this one published?
Jörg
10-02-2009, 01:12 AM
Quote:MeinPanzer:36go2fmq Wrote:From Kaitsa in Phthiotis and dating to the 5th c. BC. The inscription reads "POPILOS THESSALON." It's definitely unlike any other Greek helmet I've seen before, but the frontlet is oddly reminiscent of later Attic types. Not that I know of - I photographed this in the Volos Archaeological Museum. By the way, I think these two representations of helmets look fairly similar to that helmet from Athens: http://www.antiquemilitaryhistory.com/i ... elief1.JPG http://www.antiquemilitaryhistory.com/i ... elief2.JPG
Ruben
He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian 
10-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Quote:PMBardunias:1d7n5rdo Wrote:That helmet you posted Byron reminds me of one drawn by the Niobid painter. It reminds me of the helmet with all the extra bits attached to the neck guard, used by a member on here as his avatar. Obviusly a less flamboyant version, but the basic similarity looks to be there. Sorry I don't have that photo to show what I mean.
Visne partem mei capere? Comminus agamus! * Me semper rogo, Quid faceret Iulius Caesar? * Confidence is a good thing! Overconfidence is too much of a good thing.
[b]Legio XIIII GMV. (Q. Magivs)RMRS Remember Atuatuca! Vengence will be ours! Titus Flavius Germanus Batavian Coh I Byron Angel 
10-08-2009, 08:25 PM
I know you're mostly working with hellenistic examples,but do you have information on archaic and classical helmets and statistics of how many of them have crest attachment points?
Khaire Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou a.k.a.:Thorax ![[Image: -side-1.gif]](http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/kadoglou_gr/-side-1.gif)
10-09-2009, 10:55 AM
I have no direct information, but I know a paper concerning crest-attachments:
H. Frielinghaus, Busch und Schmuckaufsatz an den Helmen in Olympia. Bemerkungen zu Technik und Vorkommen, in: I Bronzi Antichi. Produzione e Tecnologia. Atti del XV Congresso Internazionale sui Bronzi Antichi (2002)
Jörg
10-09-2009, 02:40 PM
Found today: a grave lekythos with a cavalryman wearing a boiotan helmet!
Jörg
10-09-2009, 05:04 PM
I am sure you guys know pieces from Guttmann's collection well, but just in case, here is a load of images from before the auction. Both Roman and Greek stuff, unsorted. I wish I had time to sort them, but I do not. But perhaps, there might be something of interest.
http://legioxgpf.livinghistory.cz/web/p ... f=26&t=525
Juraj "Lýsandros" Skupy
Dierarchos ----------------------- In the old times, people were much closer to each other. The firing range of their weapons simply wasnt long enough 
10-09-2009, 05:15 PM
Errrr,thanks for doing all that efford to post them-wow-but they don't work for me
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou a.k.a.:Thorax
10-09-2009, 05:22 PM
Fixed!
Juraj "Lýsandros" Skupy
Dierarchos ----------------------- In the old times, people were much closer to each other. The firing range of their weapons simply wasnt long enough
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