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Date of justinianus I s birth
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09-30-2009, 06:15 AM
Some encyclopedia articles write that Justinianus I was born on 11.5. 483 AD. What are the sources of this information? Sources which I know do not say anything about the exact day of his birth.
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10-19-2009, 11:36 PM
Hi Eugene,
That date is almost certainly wrong. We know that Justinian, or Petrus Sabbatius as he was called before he became anyone, was born c. 482, and that's all wee know. The sole source for his full name, "Flavius Petrus Sabbatius Justinianus," is the consular diptychs made for his consulship in 521. Justinian was a relative of Justin, who was born i Bedariana near Naissus, and his sister's son, Justinian, was born at the village of Tauresium, near Scupi. Our sole source is Procopius, De aedificiis, 4.15-28.
Robert Vermaat
MODERATOR FECTIO Late Romans THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST (Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
10-20-2009, 11:53 AM
Ave Fratres,
Yes,...... we claim Justinian as a local boy that did well 8) . The local legend is that he was not born in Scupi proper but in the villages lying just below what is now known as the Kale. Couldn't find anyone that knew anything about a date. Regards from a cold and foggy Scupi Arminius Primus aka Al
ARMINIVS PRIMVS
MACEDONICA PRIMA aka ( Al Fuerst) FESTINA LENTE
10-22-2009, 12:41 PM
I wonder if this information comes from some later, apocryphal texts. I know there's one dubious Justiniani Vita, perhaps there are some others.
Drago?
10-23-2009, 12:45 AM
Quote:I wonder if this information comes from some later, apocryphal texts.Did you not read my post? It's from Procopius and a consular dyptych, both contemporary sources.
Robert Vermaat
MODERATOR FECTIO Late Romans THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST (Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
10-23-2009, 05:14 PM
Oh, I guess my post was confusing. I wondered about the "11 May" information.
Meanwhile I traced it to Edward Gibbon: http://books.google.com/books?id=mwwMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA41 then to Johann Peter von Ludewig (see footnote 2): http://books.google.com/books?id=80kUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA117 It took me a while to figure that Fresneus is Charles du Fresne, sieur du Cange. I'll see what I'll find next :wink:
Drago?
10-23-2009, 10:09 PM
Ah, I see.
Excellent research, btw. I love that note about the 'Dardanian peasants' bearing Gothic or even 'almost English' names.
Robert Vermaat
MODERATOR FECTIO Late Romans THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST (Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
10-26-2009, 03:52 PM
Checking Du Cange's Historia Byzantina, volume I, page 96, I found this: "FLAVIUS ANICIUS JUSTINIANUS nascitur V Maii (incertum quo anno)"
There's also a side note for this line, mentioning Theophan. (Theophanes Confessor?) and Baron. (probably Cesare Baronio, an Italian ecclesiastical historian from 16th century) As for Gibbon's note, that comes from the aforementioned Justiniani Vita, unfortunately a later and unreliable text.
Drago?
10-28-2009, 07:03 PM
Yes, I know where the note came from. I just liked the wording of the sentence very much. :wink:
Robert Vermaat
MODERATOR FECTIO Late Romans THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST (Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12) |
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