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I am about to retrofit a few of our group's Segs... you know, brass rivets to copper, better hinges, proper Corbridge-B yoke hooks etc.
The one thing I notice on allot of the older ones (and I want to avoid in the future ones) is that the horizontal girdle plates are not even. Invariably there is always 1 side hanging lower... which of course looks like hell.
What is the best method of construction to ensure they are even, every time???
Thanks in advance.
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There is discussion going on at this time about Seg' leather a post by Mike Bishop however the only suggestion I can give to solve such a problem is to use a stronger thicker leather for the three girdle fasteners.
I have in the past used up to 3mm thick leather for segmentata straps and for rivets I use what are known as clout nails, these nails are used for fixing felt onto rooves about 1/8 inch diam' 3/4 inch long with a good large flat head.
The best way to use them is to countersink the holes on the outside of of your plates put the nail thro' the leathers with it's nice flat head against the leather, then peen over the nail on the outside into the countersink and with the overlap of your girdle plates the rivets are hidden and of course with a flat head against the leather there is no snagging of your tunic on the inside of the Seg'.
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Not sure why one side is longer than the other...I guess just careful measuring will help with that.
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You mean you are supposed to measure??? 
I am using fairly substantial leather => 8 oz...
According to Hibernicus, the error was indeed in measurement quality assurance (i.e. rushing it).
1/8" isn't too bad and isn't totally visually perceptible, but multiply that by 7 and you get almost an inch of misalignment. So the answer would be to carefully measure each section as it goes and adjust as I go to maintain proper ride height.
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Don't you find 8 oz too thick? I find it reduces the seg's ability to bend...I tend to go with about 5 oz or so...plus it allows the plates to fold in on each other, making it easier to transport.
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it is actually 6-8, and it is nicely flexible without all that chrome tanned nastiness.
Very old worl look the the grain as well...
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Quote:Don't you find 8 oz too thick? I find it reduces the seg's ability to bend...I tend to go with about 5 oz or so...plus it allows the plates to fold in on each other, making it easier to transport.
I agree there to a certain extent, except I worry about long term damage to the leather. I tend to either traspot it on a stand, or break it down to 4 components, then put the matching quarters together. Still, it makes for a compact piece of kit.
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Whatever makes you think they should be even though Phil? Ever notice how poorly assembled the real artifact segmentatae are? I'd be floored if there was truly any care about the girth hoop sides matching LOL But the best way to be sure you have your sides even is to simply use dividers- open the legs to the interval you want and just walk off each pair of holes; the only variation then is punching them and if you're off by a millimetre here and there it'll hardly show...
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Matt, that is absolutely brilliant!
Perfect reasoning, thanks.
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Didn't the Stillfried plates feature seven girdle plates on one side and eight on the other?
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Quote:The one thing I notice on allot of the older ones (and I want to avoid in the future ones) is that the horizontal girdle plates are not even. Invariably there is always 1 side hanging lower... which of course looks like hell.
Well, it might not look neat and tidy, but it probably looks more like the originals did :wink:
Personally, I'd also swap individual shoulder pieces between segs to get an even more authentic look.
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Quote:Well, it might not look neat and tidy, but it probably looks more like the originals did :wink:
Personally, I'd also swap individual shoulder pieces between segs to get an even more authentic look.
Better still, take it out and kick it round the back garden for 15 minutes. Then it really will look like most of the examples that have been found.
And yes, there were different numbers of plates in the two halves of the Stillfried cuirass. Any academic or re-enactor who cannot face up to the possibility that the Corbridge Hoard may have been three mismatched cuirasses, rather than 12 unrelated quarter-sections, is in the wrong business.
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Ok, so according to the experts, don't change anything, I am being completely authentic the way they are :lol:
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