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Experimental Pleated Subarmalis Construction
#16
oh, i understand now.
well IMHO your alternative solution is an interesting way to make a subarmalis.
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#17
That is a great interpretation. I often wondered where pleated kilts originated, such as the Greek one worn by the Guard and the scottish kilt, with it's pleats. . Looks great too!!

The centurion from Kalkriese's pturgues have always puzzled me in their fullness, looking more like layers of a petticoat...perhaps a plausible explanation.
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#18
I think the end result looks great. A very interesting proposition!
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#19
Quote:The centurion from Kalkriese's pturgues have always puzzled me in their fullness, looking more like layers of a petticoat

Is that Marcus Caelius in the image base? His splay out but don't look that full. Do you have a link?

--Kelsey
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#20
One very good back view which I think supports the 'wraparound' idea is this statue
http://www.christies.com/lotfinderimages...05563x.jpg
. As you can see the pteruges lay flat around the back and then we see all the jumble in the front.

As you can see from this diagram I opened the pleats on the front apron to recreate the effect.

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#21
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Gaius Julius Caesar:1pjbqy7m Wrote:The centurion from Kalkriese's pturgues have always puzzled me in their fullness, looking more like layers of a petticoat

Is that Marcus Caelius in the image base? His splay out but don't look that full. Do you have a link?

--Kelsey
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... CDEQ9QEwCA

If you look at the very bottom, they look very thick, perhaps not the same as yours, but it looks like there is a different layer under the top strips.
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#22
It certainly does look good and you have clearly done a lot of time consuming work on it. Have you tested it yet to see how much padding the pleating provides against blunt force. If so, what are your results so far?

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#23
This is by far one of the best subarmalii i have seen so far !

Especially the way it is draped on the body.

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#24
Quote:It certainly does look good and you have clearly done a lot of time consuming work on it. Have you tested it yet to see how much padding the pleating provides against blunt force. If so, what are your results so far?

No, I haven't done any testing on it but I can say it does feel like it would give you some insulation from blunt trauma. It's a pretty tight weave and it feels comparable to three pairs of jeans. Due to how the pleats fold in and out I think it averages about 3/8" thick.

Out of curiosity, how would I go about performing such a test?

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#25
Put your armour on and get someone to hit you with a vitus...that is one way.

BTW, when will mine be ready? :mrgreen: It really does look good...
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#26
Quote:Out of curiosity, how would I go about performing such a test?

--Kelsey

Start with a pvc pipe covered with foam insulation both found in the plumbing section of Home Depot. This is modest in cost and not really harmful. If you are confident enough with performance take off the insulation and take a few whacks. Confusedhock: Start lightly with both and gradually hit harder. Getting hit has a natural tendency to make people flinch; by slowly increasing the impact you are also training yourself to take a hit (pesky natural instincts... :roll: ). Also, play with different things like stepping into or away from the strike to simulate a moving target this alters the impact as well. These were training methods I used in Tae Kwon Do with sparring armor.
If you have any other questions please ask I am happy to help. Big Grin
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#27
Haha thanks everyone - for some reason I wasn't imagining actually standing in it and being hit, although the proof is in pudding as they say! Once I complete it I'll give it a go :lol:

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#28
Best way to know the results of your labor! Unless you have the $10,000.00 crash test dummy from Fight Science. Confusedhock:
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#29
Congratulations on this. It certainly looks the part and is a very plausible interpretation. I would like to see it under armour. And the work involved is overwelming. I always dread stitching in repeating patterns Confusedhock:
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#30
Quote:. I always dread stitching in repeating patterns

Thank Giannis!! The twisting of the weft threads to make the tassles was fairly labor intensive, but I did use a machine on the pleating threads, most of which are inside the garment anyway... over 700 yards of thread so far -- I've gone through two spools Confusedhock:

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