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If, in 9 AD it is true that there were Lorica segmentata, as substantiated by the finds of Kalkriese, Then 59 years before,
there could also have existed this kind of armour...
However ! since we lack proper finds of Segmentata remains from the Caesarian era, we cannot be sure...
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Quote:If, in 9 AD it is true that there were Lorica segmentata, as substantiated by the finds of Kalkriese, Then 59 years before,
there could also have existed this kind of armour...
Oh, I'd say that's too much of a stretch! It may be reasonable to guess that it was in use *ten* years before, but for something like this I really think 60 years is not a safe assumption. Heck, we don't even know if the first Kalkriese type was a full lorica, or just plate shoulders on a mailshirt, for instance.
Quote:However ! since we lack proper finds of Segmentata remains from the Caesarian era, we cannot be sure...
Exactly! Go with what we know.
I remember when I first saw John Warry's "Warfare in the Classical World", it was the first time I'd seen Romans wearing mail, and I was shocked! Had no idea that mail dated back that far. Shortly after that I got hold of Robinson, though, and he was chock-full of proof, which was great.
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Were the soldiers costumes of HBO's rome accurate? I mean the trousers as well as the mail?
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In Caesar's day, probably no braccae for legionaries. Helmets and armor were not right, and arguably the wrong details like styles of shoes, belts, pugio and gladius. The construction of tunics is sort of strange, too. It's not a bad show, though, in many ways: there are several threads discussing it. Their underwear might have been accurately portrayed, though. Oh, and we don't know about the whistles, either.
I guess the short answer to the question is, "No, not really."
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Quote:Were the soldiers costumes of HBO's rome accurate? I mean the trousers as well as the mail?
Short answer, No, not at all. There are about a dozen threads on this series already. To find the juciest ones, go to the Members section and find the entry for Woadwarrior, and bring up the threads he started. There's another one in the Reference and Reviews area.
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Quote:Rule of thumb: Assume that EVERYTHING you see on TV or in the movies is wrong.
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Can anyone tell what kind of mail they used before the lorica segmentata got more common;(u neednt correct me there ive read the thread 8)
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Quote:Can anyone tell what kind of mail they used before the lorica segmentata got more common;(u neednt correct me there ive read the thread 8)
I don't totally get your question  But before the segmentata came into use the main armour of legionairies (there wasn't much real 'auxilia' by then, just irregular allied troops) seems to have been mainly chainmail (lorica hamata) or scale (lorica squamata). Some higher allied troopers probably also had access to these kinds of armour. Afther the segmentata goes out of use, the hamata and squamata stay in use (as they always did, also along the segmentata), althoug over ages the look of a hamata will change. (adding sleeves, which become longer, for instance).
And yeas, thinking about the amount of armour needed for the Roman army, there certainly was some mass production in fabrica. In fact it seems that Corbridge (UK) housed workshops to make armour, for instance. Fabrica from other periods are also known 
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The similarity between surviving examples of Roman mail also suggests some kind of centralized control.
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Quote:Gaius Julius Caesar:3hy45rst Wrote:Well, Harry, they were the last of the real Romans, after all.... :wink: :mrgreen:
OI!!  hock: You left out the 'U' Robert, it's spelled 'OUI'.... :mrgreen:
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Quote:Vortigern Studies:18despr2 Wrote:Gaius Julius Caesar:18despr2 Wrote:Well, Harry, they were the last of the real Romans, after all.... :wink: :mrgreen:
OI!! hock: You left out the 'U' Robert, it's spelled 'OUI'.... :mrgreen: Don't tell me it took you since october 22 to think of that one Byron.. :twisted:
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Hmmmm, I don't spend all my time on here, you know...... :twisted:
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Thou blasphemer, thou! What other use is there for your time?? :roll: :lol:
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@ jvrjenivs thx. Next point; sry this may be kinda childish notion; but: do u know if they favoured one of these- meaning they will have noticed how good a chainmail protected in comparison to a e.g. lorica segmentata - since - according to ur confirmation- they had some kind of mass manufacturing - did they have a standard model (apart from the looted armour)?
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Quote:@jvrjenivs thx. Next point; sry this may be kinda childish notion; but: do u know if they favoured one of these- meaning they will have noticed how good a chainmail protected in comparison to a e.g. lorica segmentata - since - according to ur confirmation- they had some kind of mass manufacturing - did they have a standard model (apart from the looted armour)?
I think I already gave some of my ideas about the answer to your question in my previous post. The hamata (mail) was used of a long period of time. It came into use before the Romans started using it. Although the Romans (as far as I know) are the first to use it in big quantities. The same goes for squamata (scale armour). Now, to answer your question, it would be better to also know which period you are especially intersted in. Over time things (and mode) can change drastically. In short, I think the 'segmentata' is too popular in modern re-enactments, where the squamata should be used more. The hamata seems to be the favorite over time.
What do you bring to your point thinking a chainmail protects better as a 'segmentata'? At least they knew the hamata before the 'segmentata' came into use and they changed it. There must be a reason, and one of them could be better protection. Remember that is also important to take into account which kind of weaponry the enemy uses, when telling anything about what protects better.
Hope this is of any help.
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