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Kickboxing??
#1
Although making legwraps for my Thrakian and Hoplomachus is still on my to do list,
I was just admiring Gashfords photo of himself and wondered whether others agree that some- maybe all -gladiator fight styles may have looked alot like Thai Kick Boxing with daggers/ swords etc as the padded armour on some or all of the legs- and frequently the instep of the foot suggests- to me that this might be so.

Pondering,
Richard

Sorry- I was sur I posted this in the Gladiator section- please move???
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#2
Looking at Mr Ashfords photo it looks more like a well placed kick to the genitals, i don't think theres any evidence to suggest a Thai boxing style combat, any hand to hand would be more likely yo follow the Greek Pankration style illustrated on pottery from the period. I think the padded lower leg is simply to protect against the greaves. However i have read of savate having Gallic roots but i believe this has been discredited.
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No worries- moved!
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#4
I guess I always presumed that the padded armor was to provide light protection against glancing blows, and not so much for foot attacks. From what I've read, the armor was stuffed with horsehair, probably the long fiber hair from manes and tails.

If your opponent is armed with a sharp dagger, a kick is not the most clever attack...nothing like blocking a kick with the edge of a gladius to discourage a second kick, you know? Or a kick that's blocked at shin level with the edge of a shield would be counterproductive for the kicker, wouldn't it?

I wonder if a groin kick like that would be considered a foul? They weren't simply fighting for their lives (although that was involved) there were apparently rules for gladiatorial combat. I'm not sure of all the inner workings of those rules, though.
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#5
I also saw the post mentioning that quilted gladiator armour was stuffed by horse hair and recall the fact that it was really really dense and hard to get through. This, coupled with those beautiful reliefs that Olaf posted where the prococateurs seem to lose their shields and grapple with the pugiones and hands make me think that it was a freaky fast and highly technical form of combat.

I am not saying that it was
just that it is possible
and would like to find some young gladiators with an asian martial arts background to experiment in this fashion.
Unfortunately the lack of protection makkes it a not so popular field of reenactment in Australia. :| It is my favourite. Big Grin
regards
Richard Robinson
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#6
Just about the kick itself, it was meant to be off to the side a little bit so it gave all the impression of a kick to the groin with out any of the pain, this one was a little bit too on target Confusedhock: and it just happened that a member of the public managed to take the snap at the exact moment. I can still remember it vividly.

A little more on topic now, it would be great to understand exactly whet the umpires did in the fights, I suspect it would change a lot of our recreations one way or another.

All the best

G
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