1st cent Patera

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Kevin

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[D B Campbell]

I do notice that pateras are catagorized by letters...anyone got a link or info on this please

I overlooked your supplementary question, Kevin.

The online database (that you linked to) has attempted to categorize paterae according to Nuber's 1972 classification.* (1) I have never seen Nuber's classification, and (2) no articles about military paterae (in my experience) ever refer to Nuber's classification. It is more common (again, in my experience) to classify military paterae by manufacturer, in those cases where this can be ascertained from the maker's mark stamped on the handle.

* H.U. Nuber, "Kanne und Griffschale", Ber. Röm.-Germ. Kommission 53 (1972), pp. 5-232.

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Thank you Mr Campbell. You wouldnt happen to know if anything is listed online re classification by makers mark or indeed in good old fashioned print?
Kevin

[PhilusEstilius]

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It might be a hard job to pin down makers marks on many ordinary troopers patera for so many just appear to have a small amount of decoration on the handles such as these type that I have been making over the years.

[PhilusEstilius]

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I think looking at many of the patera already shown with highly decorative handles are not the types that would have been used by the ordinary trooper.
Therefore looking for makers stamps might appear on one or two but the majority would have been the more plain or simple decoration such as these types that I have made in the past.

[PhilusEstilius]

I think to answer the question about Roman patera used by soldiers there would have been two types, the cooking type would have had an added solid cast base to stand the heat of a fire where the eating pot of a soldier was more thin many with a simple concentric circle base to them.

[Rado]

Date 1st century AD Size 60.5 long Weight 31.6 gr Material Bronze Description
An army patera handle of Italian make with maker's stamp GIVIDI visible on stem.

http://www.finds.calverley.info/0685.htm

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Thanks for the pic Rado.
I'm looking for someone to make me a Bronze Patera of the eating out of type.
One like this would be ideal...cant remember where its from but i'm sure its the UK.
Everything on the market is just not quite right, closest i've seen is here... http://www.replik-online.de/en/index.html the Xantern type

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I had an interesting chat with David Chapman who founded this lot:

http://www.ancient-arts.org/

We were discussing Bronze Age and Iron Age horse gear (related to the same hoard as mentioned in the Roman Chain thread) and he does a lot of casting and reproduces stuff on a regular basis.

May be worth contacting them? No idea of costs though.

[PhilusEstilius]

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Kevin.
Here are some other pictures of that patera that was found north of Hadrian's Wall and it looks like this was a larger cooking type of pot with the attatched heavy base.
It became so fire worn and burnt that the handle came adrift but was repaired in Roman times,there were two found one in bits that shows the heavy cast type of base that was fitted to take the heat of a fire.

[PhilusEstilius]

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Kevin.
Here are some other pictures of that patera that was found north of Hadrian's Wall, it is a larger cooking type pot that I have refered to with the more heavy type of cast base to take the heat of a fire.
This one after time took too much heat and burnt causing the handle to snap, however it was repaired in Roman times with the five metal bands and rivets, there were two found that shows just how thick and heavy the base was.

[PhilusEstilius]

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This is the smaller eating type of patera that I used to make but then due to health problems and my advanced years I have retired completely from doing this kind of work.
This particular type I used to make with a simple concentric circle base that we find on many Roman eating pans.

[Rado]

A few new Patera photos (at least for me) from Austria MZM Museumszentrum Mistelbach museums



..and from Zagreb Croatia..

[jvrjenivs]

Thanks for the pic Rado.
I'm looking for someone to make me a Bronze Patera of the eating out of type.
One like this would be ideal...cant remember where its from but i'm k its the UK.
Everything on the market is just not quite right, closest i've seen is here... http://www.replik-online.de/en/index.html the Xantern type

Both Erik Konig (replik-online.de) and Simon Empt (Frisius-F.de) can surely make one to your specs for a similar price.

[Rado]

Two more photos with dimensions.

..I just do not know from which museum they are.