Centurion helmet from Sisak, Croatia

[Rado]

This is a neck guard that I cut out of cardboard.

I think it looks better now

[Robert Vermaat]

Suggestions, some of which may have been made before:


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[Doc]

Robert, The damage could also suggest that the metal was rather thin in those areas since other helmets show similar damage going towards the top of the bowl. I doubt there would be more decoration. There is also information that this helmet was repaired or redecorated a few times. The original rosettes could have been more foward and the later repair pushed them back. It could also be possible that the silver sheet on the helmet was removed by force leaving holes behind.

Rado, the neckguard is almost good. The angle from which it leaves the back of the earguard should be a sharper angle not almost linear from the earguard. Also, the steps on the neckguard need to be raised more. The ridges are just too shallow.

[Rado]

This weekend I had a meeting here in Bulgaria with Mr.Gagan. It was his predicted visiting on our ancient landmarks here in Bulgaria (part of his European tour).

I managed to introduce him with all your suggestions and comments. He told me that there are things that can be changed.
But there are parts that they do not produce (at least for now). Like other model of concentric rosettes. These rosettes I will do be myself separately .At least I will try to achieve a resemblance to these original rosettes (available from the published photos).
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/20-roma...l?start=45

[franciscus]

About the deepeeka SISAK... following distributor claims that the SISAK has been reworked by deepeeka ("Deepeeka hat dieses Modell völlig überarbeitet").and would fit "64 cm" headcircum ? Is this true... does the helmet fits 64cm heads ?

http://www.aus-omas-truhe.de/detail/id/7...E6C7E3878D

[Rado]

This is the latest revision of the prototype of the Centurio helmet from Sisak, Croatia from Deepeeka .Now helmet begins to resemble to the original.

[Doc]

Looking better. If they could make the browband narrower and the rosettes under the browband smaller, it will be a finer looking helmet. I also think the flange of the cheekpiece is a little too wide.

[PhilusEstilius]

I think that I would have to agree with what Paolo maentions on both points about the browband and cheekplate, it needs about 25 percent off the width of the browband and maybe 1/2 an inch off the rear of the cheekplate.

[deepeeka]

1. The brow band now is 1 cm height.

2. The cheek plates were never found- so I am not sure what we are targeting. Maybe if someone can provide me good size drawings, I can do something.

3. The brow guard is made in 14 guage steel sheet. Can increase if desired, in production.

4. The size of the helmet inside is 22cm x 19 cm

5. I dont have any other rosettes, so we will retain these on the helmet.

Gagan

[deepeeka]

As a special as earlier times, I am offering this helmet (first 10 pcs) to the RAT community at special prices. The price for the same including shipping to you will be US$ 180 each. This helmet will belong to the first 10 emails I receive for the same. I will post the results here.

So, go get it.

Gagan

[Doc]

Hello Gagan,

The cheepieces have not been found HOWEVER there are several within the same period belonging to helmets of a similar "class".
As discussed earlier in this thread, some of the members were suggesting the Gallic F as the closest relative to this helmet so why not use those. There is no sense in making some theoretcial set of cheekpieces because non were found with the bowl.

The rosettes are not in discussion with respect to style but the ones where the browband is should be smaller. You do not have to change the design. This of course means that the remaining rosettes should also be the same size. However, when you said that these rosettes are the only ones you have and will be using these, I am sorry but this is not a very good excuse. If you are making such a novelty helmet all of its elements should clearly be new and to a certain degree unique NOT that you take whatever is lying around and slap them onto a new helmet. Otherwise, all you have is a different bowl with a bit here and there showing some difference but the rest is like ALL the other helmets.

Narrowing down small details is what makes the difference.

My two cents

[deepeeka]

I will see what I can do in production.

[Crispvs]

Gagan,

The cheek guards look very long to me, and I would echo what has already been said about the brow band. However, I think you could easily solve these issues by using (as has been suggested above) the same cheek guards as for the Imperial Gallic 'F', which you already have patterns for.

As to making smaller rosettes, I think you do yourself an injustice if you feel this cannot be done. If I, a rank amateur at these things, can make dies for making these and similar items at home with nothing more than lumps of brass, a hacksaw and a file, then I am sure you must have someone somewhere within your staff who can do a much better job than me in a fraction of the time. :wink:

Crispvs

[Rado]

From what material should be made ear protectors ? Tarbicus shows them on his drawings in yellow color. Should they be produced from brass or from iron?

The picture shows just some part of the silver sheet coverage !?
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[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Could just be my eyes or the device I am viewing on,
But it looks like there is a scrap of brass/bronze under that rivit
Where the earguard was!