Carnuntum knives

[Robert]

Salvete,

Could anyone please help me gather more info on these knives? They are shown at http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-pugio.html . I am wanting to make a good many different knifetypes, as I have suddenly acquired ample spare time for forging and the like. A detailed drawing of picture with a scalebar would be great, also of the scabbard chape, as I want to do a full reproduction.

Any other interesting knives are also welcome!

Either post pictures here or if copyright prevents general distribution, please mail me at r.p.wimmers<at>hotmail.com

[markusaurelius]

I dont have other pictures, but I'd also be interested in some better photos. Those knives with the sword like chapes are quite interesting. What period are they dated too anyhow? Late 3rd century?

[jvrjenivs]

I dont have other pictures, but I'd also be interested in some better photos. Those knives with the sword like chapes are quite interesting. What period are they dated too anyhow? Late 3rd century?

Are you talking about the same knifes?
I was in the impression Robert is talking about the second to last picture, where you are talking about the so called 'thekenbeschlage' type knifes? These are indeed from the 3rd century. If you're interested in those, best get yourself a copy of Ludwig Berger - Durchbrochene Messerfuteral-Beschlafe (Thekenbeschlage) aus Augusta Raurica (Forschungen in Augst band 32)

[markusaurelius]

I was thinking of the second to last photo. I guess the chapes at the end remind me very much of chapes from spathas hence my comment. So the second to last photo is dated to the 3rd century? Im not clear from reading you post now Jurjen which one you were referring to.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Other knives used by roman military, not to be confused with the pugio as above, Carnuntum

I was looking at the above titles images too.

I'm of the same mind. These would be a nice addition to an impression.

[jvrjenivs]

I was thinking of the second to last photo. I guess the chapes at the end remind me very much of chapes from spathas hence my comment. So the second to last photo is dated to the 3rd century? Im not clear from reading you post now Jurjen which one you were referring to.

I was talking about the last picture. But I now see there're indeed chapes in the photograph of the knife Robert was mentioning, which I, in my previous fast view didn't record. Srry for making it a mess.

[Robert Vermaat]

Sorry for making it a mess.

We can clean everything up. :wink:

I can't really imagine what the knife would look like with the hilt intact. It's a very short blade, right?

[Robert]

I wouldn't be too sure of that. This is the reason I need a scale drawing, though. I presume the blade to be about 12 to 15 cm, judging by the length of the tang. That would make the overall knife about 25 to 30 cm, a substantial piece of cutlery :wink: