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Rome\'s decline and the U.S.
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It is not straightforward to make comparisons between different Empires. The Roman Empire was a land-based Empire. In full contrast, the transmutation of the Roman Empire into the Eastern Roman Empire made it into a naval Empire. The Eastern Roman Empire fell precisely when Eastern Roman oligarchies subcontracted both civil and military navies to Venice where they moved on.

USA is not a new force as many (want to) believe but is essentially the continuation of the British Empire. Exactly like the British Empire, US at its core is a naval Empire. Along with the British they form (what the French love to describe as) the Anglosaxon block, that is the world ruling Empire of the last 2 centuries and will remain for at least the 21st century. The power of this block lies not within territories but precisely in the domination of the world's oceans: not so much to control ressources (oil etc.) as most claim but mostly to maintain the establishment of one global basic oceanic traderoute (China/India/Korea/Japan to Suez to Gibraltar to English channel to England/Holland/Germany and to US which is served also via the Pacific). Namely Suez moves around the 70% of global intercontinental trade. Germany and Japan - not in WWII but even prior to WWII - were precisely British/US inventions. Korea too in the past 50 years. China too in the past 30 years. It is astonishing to see how the world's most industrially productive nations per population are Germany, Japan and Korea which are precisely picked for being at the extremes of the Eurasian landmass while being relatively poor in ressources and thus in desperate need of a protector to ensure good guarding of traderoutes. This is a testament to Anglosaxon Imperial reach under which huge and "had-been" progressive countries like Russia and Brazil are reduced to raw materials exporters while China, also relatively poor in materials, is permitted to import the vast majority of basic raw materials has been made as a main exporters of goods. US's imperial power is really the fact that nobody in the world - Russia included - can trade internationally without US being implicated and it is them who can tell the rise and fall of anyone. This is precisely the reason that talking about US economy (thriving, doing mediocre or in crisis) is largely irrelevant as the world's oligarchies that man the US do make out not just the US's but the world's financial system and thus they can provide as much "funding" (i.e. promises) as needed. As such, it is not to ancient Rome that Americans have to look to take lessons but to Constantinople and Venice. Constantinople fell out precisely because its own oligarchies decided to fly over to Venice from where they waged war against it for about 200 years before tearing to pieces. Venice simply reduced in power when its oligarchies flew to Britain via Holland.

As such Americans will have to start worrying only when they see their oligarchies flying away to greener pastures - something that no matter the "crisis" is not happening. On the contrary, US was able to contain its enemy No1 not modern-China (a US creation, totally dependent no matter how it strives to escape) but good-old Russia also Britain's bad-old enemy since the 1750s. Containing Russia was effectively done in early 20th century with the spread of communism (hugely funded from the West) and recently went up to the level of making it fight for its very own inner periphery and US has fingers even inside the Russian state. On the planetary map, in Eurasia the US manages to keep closed the vertical and horizontal land-based traderoutes with the invasions in Afganistan and Iraq and the isolation of Iran and is currently successfully moving in the step re-islamization of Europe, South Europe paticularly to complete the cut-off and revert the world map back to an "idealized" pre-19th century setting that permitted a tiny part of the world, the West (and that is not Europe but Britain, Holland and earlier Venice) to largely control the fates of the world, this time possibly totally.

US's greatest fear? Many point the Russian gas-pipelines which is one indeed. In reality its biggest nightmare is the Transiberian. Its possible nightmate also is a re-construction of airships or... a discovery of UFO-like flying machines that can trasport trade in sufficient quantities from any point to any point. Put the maths and you will realise the statement of how these 2 real and 1 theoretical alternatives can cause the downfall of the US overnight.
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Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by mike esposito - 10-17-2012, 08:43 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Narukami - 10-17-2012, 09:09 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Fidelis Sam - 10-17-2012, 09:21 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Epictetus - 10-17-2012, 10:14 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Matthew Lehman - 10-18-2012, 05:36 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Macedon - 10-18-2012, 06:17 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Nikanor - 10-18-2012, 03:21 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-18-2012, 05:31 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by mike esposito - 10-18-2012, 08:04 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Alexand96 - 10-18-2012, 10:34 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Matthew Lehman - 10-19-2012, 02:39 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Draconis ( Tom) - 10-19-2012, 05:30 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-19-2012, 05:12 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-19-2012, 05:28 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Alexand96 - 10-19-2012, 06:52 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Alexand96 - 10-19-2012, 06:57 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-20-2012, 04:39 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Caballo - 10-21-2012, 12:38 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Pyrgopolynices - 10-21-2012, 07:04 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Matthew Lehman - 10-21-2012, 09:42 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Matthew Lehman - 10-21-2012, 10:10 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-21-2012, 05:21 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by M. Demetrius - 10-22-2012, 09:20 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by mike esposito - 10-22-2012, 09:34 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by M. Demetrius - 10-23-2012, 09:24 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Narukami - 10-23-2012, 11:03 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-23-2012, 05:23 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by M. Demetrius - 10-23-2012, 05:39 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Eleatic Guest - 10-23-2012, 06:30 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Alexand96 - 10-23-2012, 08:58 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by mike esposito - 10-23-2012, 11:57 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Epictetus - 10-24-2012, 09:07 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-24-2012, 05:19 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-24-2012, 05:25 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-24-2012, 05:30 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Robert Vermaat - 10-24-2012, 06:12 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Robert Vermaat - 10-24-2012, 06:14 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Eleatic Guest - 10-24-2012, 08:00 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Eleatic Guest - 10-24-2012, 08:07 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Eleatic Guest - 10-24-2012, 08:15 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Narukami - 10-24-2012, 09:19 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Eleatic Guest - 10-25-2012, 04:03 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Narukami - 10-25-2012, 06:57 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Epictetus - 10-25-2012, 09:18 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-25-2012, 05:00 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Michael William - 10-26-2012, 12:47 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Caballo - 10-26-2012, 02:44 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Michael William - 10-26-2012, 01:09 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Caballo - 10-26-2012, 01:24 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-26-2012, 04:39 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by M. Demetrius - 10-27-2012, 04:02 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Eleatic Guest - 10-29-2012, 04:59 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Narukami - 10-29-2012, 11:36 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-30-2012, 04:20 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Narukami - 10-30-2012, 09:01 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 10-31-2012, 04:54 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Draconis ( Tom) - 11-01-2012, 10:38 AM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Tim Donovan - 11-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Rome\'s decline and the U.S. - by Draconis ( Tom) - 11-02-2012, 02:50 AM
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