CONSTANTINO 313 d.C

[Flavivs Aetivs]

The last one is the Duerne type if I'm correct. An officer helmet. Then there's the Berkasovo II next to it.

As for the others they seem to be intercisa-type.

[Simplex]

The two "Intercisa-Type" helmets (2nd and 3rd from the left) seem to be both from Augsburg-Pfersee,
if my eyes don't fail me, -- they were also present in 2007's exhibition at Trier (D)
"Konstantin der Grosse -- Imperator Caesar Flavius Constantinus". Makes me wonder what the differences between these two exhibitions may be --- apart from 5 years, that is. :wink:
Somebody got the latter catalogue. (In Italian only ?!)

Greez & Thanks in advance

Simplex

[Flavivs Aetivs]

The two "Intercisa-Type" helmets (2nd and 3rd from the left) seem to be both from Augsburg-Pfersee,
if my eyes don't fail me, -- they were also present in 2007's exhibition at Trier (D)
"Konstantin der Grosse -- Imperator Caesar Flavius Constantinus". Makes me wonder what the differences between these two exhibitions may be --- apart from 5 years, that is. :wink:
Somebody got the latter catalogue. (In Italian only ?!)

Greez & Thanks in advance

Simplex

My mistake, those are augsburg.

[Robert Vermaat]

BUT
Take pictures is strictly forbidden!!!
We are in Italy hombre!

Same thing in Germany - it's what they agreed upon with the exhibition organisers, I think.

[Robert Vermaat]

The last one is the Duerne type if I'm correct. An officer helmet. Then there's the Berkasovo II next to it.

The Deurne is also of the Berkasovo type. ;-)

The two "Intercisa-Type" helmets (2nd and 3rd from the left) seem to be both from Augsburg-Pfersee,
if my eyes don't fail me, -- they were also present in 2007's exhibition at Trier (D)

My mistake, those are augsburg.

I think that the Augsburg helmets also below to the Intercisa type? I know there's discussion about at least one of them (due to a nasal), but so far I heard no strong argument for the Berkasovo-type?

[Simplex]

Hi Robert,
...at least Miks does attribute them to the Deurne-Berkasovo type. (> Type 2. p7 pic12 *)
However I couldn't find further reasoning there. (Maybe he will publish that later on ?!) :???:
First problem: these two Pfresee's look slightly different from each other.
Also, of the original Intercisas type I and II look remarkably close to one of them
(the "shorter" one!), but lack the ornamenting of both "Pfersees", which they have in common with the Deurne-Berkasovo-types. The second Pfersee, also has rivets and a noseguard more characteristic to the D.-Berkasovo-types.
This website , however lists both Pfersees under "Intercisa-type"
http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquip...-late.html
Now where's our helmet database gone ( did I miss s.th. there :whistle: ??) -- still in "migration period" ?? :mrgreen:
O.K. for those new to the subjects -- there have been previous discussions about late roman helmets:
e.g.
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/17-roma...mitstart=0
or
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/17-roma...l?start=60
or
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/17-roma...rmany.html
or
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/18-refe...-miks.html
There may be other threads that have slipped my memory (like so many other things :dizzy: )

Greez

Simplex

I think I must still have some pics from Koblenz somewhere.

*Christian Miks, Vom Prunkstück zum Altmetall (~ From a Gem To Scrap)

[M. Val. Naso]

In the middle, is that an Intercisa with a nasal? That seriously just blew my mind.

EDIT: Oh, I see, Pfersee. Then a followup question: did Intercisa helmets have nasals on occasions?

[Simplex]

Mark,
...the Intercisa helmets as such ( found at Intercisa/Dunapentele, HUN , Type 1-4) seemed not to have nasals.I know of no picture of the originals or reconstructions thereof which give a hint that there might have been nasals attached. As for other "Intercisa-type" helmets -- well, it depends,IIRC I'd say mostly without nasals -- but my archives may still have "white spots here.I presume/suspect that the absence of nasals is counting as a characteristic of this kind of helmet. (As opposed to Deurne-Berkasovos).
Well, ... and the "Augsburg-Pfersee" with the nasal (the middle one on the pic) seems to be "under discussion" as far as its "classification" is concerned.(See my posting above)

Greez

Simplex

[Robert Vermaat]

A 'classic' Intercisa:
- no nasal
- no base ring
- two parts bowl
- 'narrow' cheek plates attached with leather
- 'simple'

A 'classic' Berkasovo:
- nasal
- base ring
- two to six parts bowl
- 'broad' cheek plates attached with metal hinges
- 'elaborate'

All kinds of hybrids exist. I concede that one of the Augsburg-Pfersee helmets could belong to the Berkasovo type, but as a hybrid perhaps. The most damaged of the two is elaborately decorated, but this may simply show how 'ordinary' Intercisas could have looked.

[IGNATIUS LARRASUS PROFUTURUS]

You can see a bad pictures of the Constantin helmet here:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Propugnato...6860023878

Look the album Profuturus visita Mediolanum

[Robert Vermaat]

You can see a bad pictures of the Constantin helmet here

I think they made a nice replica of the coin, but not of an existing Late Roman helmet! As the artist would have wanted to show as much of the face as possible, details of the helmet (which was meant to protect/enclose the face) would have been left out. I think this helmet would have looked much more like the Berkasovo I or the Budapest helmets, with a nice (but not too high) crest of peacock feathers.

[Nathan Ross]

Anyone in the vicinity of Rome might be interested to know that this exhibition is showing at the Colosseum until September 15th 2013:

Constantine 313 DC - Rome

I wish I'd known that myself a few days ago, as I was passing through Rome, but missed it... :-(

Can anyone, meanwhile, identify this bust, apparently from the exibition? Presumably a Constantinian woman (Fausta?), but I've never seen it before: