12-03-2015, 04:54 AM
Hi, Folkert and Michael
The middle image comes up so small that it's the size of a postage stamp. Originally, it was a full-sized photo posted by me. Now we are living in this new RAT format, saving on space. However, when photo attachments are posted within the text, you can click on them to get a full-sized view.
I found Folkert's middle image in "Nomads of the Eurasian Steppes in the Early Iron Age," edited by Jeanine Davis-Kimball. You will find it in Fig. 27, Chapter 17, "Tuva During the Scythian Period," by Nikolai Bokovenko. The entire book can be downloaded as a PDF, and it's the most complete history of the Scythians and Sarmatians I have yet found.
Folkert's middle image shows two sagarii, the top one (a) has one end as a round spike; the bottom sagaris is illustrated with 2 views, side and top. Although Bokovenko does not say so, the sagaris was obviously made from bimetallic bronze (copper and tin). These sagarii extend from the earliest ones, such as the arsenical bronze examples found at Sintashta. An interim culture between Sintashta and Tuva-- the Tagar Culture-- used similar sagarii. According to Bokovenko, these axes had a wooden handle "up to 80 cm in length." The were pinned by a metal wedge, just like a modern axe. I hope some of this is helpful.
Oh, and here is a nice postage-stamp sized attachment of the original style as found at Sintashta.
And here are the original Tuva versions:
The Tuva complex was 200 years earlier than the kurgans at Pazyryk. Maybe the Tuvians were the original "Issedones" recorded by Herodotus, or maybe that's just my romantic notion.
The middle image comes up so small that it's the size of a postage stamp. Originally, it was a full-sized photo posted by me. Now we are living in this new RAT format, saving on space. However, when photo attachments are posted within the text, you can click on them to get a full-sized view.
I found Folkert's middle image in "Nomads of the Eurasian Steppes in the Early Iron Age," edited by Jeanine Davis-Kimball. You will find it in Fig. 27, Chapter 17, "Tuva During the Scythian Period," by Nikolai Bokovenko. The entire book can be downloaded as a PDF, and it's the most complete history of the Scythians and Sarmatians I have yet found.
Folkert's middle image shows two sagarii, the top one (a) has one end as a round spike; the bottom sagaris is illustrated with 2 views, side and top. Although Bokovenko does not say so, the sagaris was obviously made from bimetallic bronze (copper and tin). These sagarii extend from the earliest ones, such as the arsenical bronze examples found at Sintashta. An interim culture between Sintashta and Tuva-- the Tagar Culture-- used similar sagarii. According to Bokovenko, these axes had a wooden handle "up to 80 cm in length." The were pinned by a metal wedge, just like a modern axe. I hope some of this is helpful.
Oh, and here is a nice postage-stamp sized attachment of the original style as found at Sintashta.
And here are the original Tuva versions:
The Tuva complex was 200 years earlier than the kurgans at Pazyryk. Maybe the Tuvians were the original "Issedones" recorded by Herodotus, or maybe that's just my romantic notion.
Alan J. Campbell
member of Legio III Cyrenaica and the Uncouth Barbarians
Author of:
The Demon's Door Bolt (2011)
Forging the Blade (2012)
"It's good to be king. Even when you're dead!"
Old Yuezhi/Pazyrk proverb
member of Legio III Cyrenaica and the Uncouth Barbarians
Author of:
The Demon's Door Bolt (2011)
Forging the Blade (2012)
"It's good to be king. Even when you're dead!"
Old Yuezhi/Pazyrk proverb
