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scythius · 05-23-2004, 07:14 AM

Quote:<hr>What did it feel like? 
 
-sorry, it was a loaded statement. I was compelled to pull the trigger.<hr> 
 
Well, the wooden buttons I used on my first gambeson broke when hit with a rattan sword, and sharp bits of shattered button were driven into the edge of my pectoral muscle - requiring a set of needlenose pliers to pull the pieces out of my bloody chest. 
 
The small metal buttons used in an arming coat for an entirely different set of armour left PERFECT little button shaped bruises, with a nice black center where the shank of the button was driven deeper. 
 
I have long since (12+ years) avoided adding things like buckles, buttons or anything rigid to any sort of foundation garment for wearing under armour... 
 
Scythius 
LEG IX HSPA - COH III EXPG - CEN I HIB 
 
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05-23-2004, 11:57 AM

Quote:<hr> What did it feel like?<hr> 
 
i really should avoid posting sp late [esp after a couple of pints ] 
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05-23-2004, 03:51 PM

hmmm... maybe I'll rethink that I get enough rattan driven into my flesh without the added pleasure of buttons... Yeah, pointing is sounds much better come to think of it... 
thanks Sasha! 
-Pallidus

05-24-2004, 03:14 PM

buttons....splinters.. owwies! 
 
I currently have a moden shoe-string like cross-tie on my subarmalis..I'm gonna replace it very soon with either a think leather tie or some linen thread. 
 
- it's a forget-to-do-it issue btw...besides, noone sees the subarmalis closure behind the armor Tongue

my sub is made with some old cotton blanket cover torn up and used as stuffing - that's inside a "shell" of some off-white linen made with Matt Amt's Leg XX instructions - a "vest" like garment. The shoulder pads are the same sort of materials, I made shoulder-sized "pillows" stuffed with cotton/linen/scraps, quilted it a little bit, and then attatched that to the vest. At first I had it like a T-shirt, which proved damaging when trying to pull it off, so I split it down the middle infront from neck to about sternum. Poked a few holes and then laced it up. I hadly even need to pull the strings to tighten it. (anything open there is covered by my focalae/ scarf) 
 
Although I would recommend splitting it on a side or both sides, or perhaps off-set from the middle, kinda like a double-breasted trenchcoat/overcoat/blazer arrangement - that way when you're lacing up the armor (if you have Lor. Seggie armor), you won't need to keep stuffing the sub back inside and risk pinching your fingers :w!:: 
 
whichever "closure" arrangement you decide, try to make it as simple as possible, it's a pain in the butt to lace up your subarmalis and then have to lace up your armor, and having to stuff and re-arrange inbetween all of that. There will always be a need to improve and tweak your subarmalis, so having it simple is good too, you won;t have to wreck a well-made sub to move a pad over an inch sort of thing... 
 
Seeing a friend of mine who does 15th century armored combat demonstrations, seeing him having to spend an ungodly amount of time lacing up his points on his gambeson/arming doublet, is boring as heck to watch...then seeing how frustrating it is to take off after you've sweated out the lacings and they stick! Bah! 
 
valete -ANDY aka "Roman Dude" Svaviter in Modo, Fortiter in Re 
 
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05-26-2004, 07:01 AM

Here's a new pic of my sub close to completion, all thats required is a little oil and some sun- or dye. I've also attached a pic of my Newstead. 
<img src="http://img70.photobucket.com/albums/v212/jaredfleury/subwarmor150sm.jpg" style="border:0;"/> 
 
Vale, Quintus Florentius Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jaredfleury>jaredfleury</A> at: 5/26/04 9:08 am

FlaviusCrispus · 05-26-2004, 09:08 PM

Fantastic looking subarmalis and cuirass, Quintus! 
 
So your "upper" is made of linen, and the pteruges made of leather? I notice a leather band around the base of your subarmalis-- is this to attach the pteruges to? Fill me in, because I'm looking to do something similar myself. 
 
T. Flavius Crispus 
Leg VI Victrix Pia Fidelis 
California, USA

05-27-2004, 01:23 AM

Ave, 
 
Actually the whole thing is leather. You can see some better shots of the vest part in my infant website www.florentius.com - go to the gallery (check back often, it's very much under construction). The vest is made of a very soft handed 2-3oz vege tanned cow, and the pteruges are a much stiffer 6oz vege tanned cow. They are also backed with a thinner leather, glued and stitched in place. I assembled the pteruges to a strip of leather, again with glue and stitching, before attachment to the vest. This arrangment allowed me to align them perfectly, over lap where needed, and have one simple line to stitch to the vest, without wrestling the position of each one. Although not fun, this would also allow me to remove and replace the pteruges without doing the whole thing over. The strip is tack glued into place then stitched. In order to reduce bulk, the pteruge lining only goes up to the edge of the vest, and the top edge and overlap areas (from the front of the hip to the back) of each pteruge is skived down thinner. I have enough exitement closing up that Lorica without any extra bulk. (That's one downside to the updated Newstead, there's no flexibility in closure like a thong!) 
 
Vale, Quintus Florentius 
 
www.florentius.com

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