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First try at a Xiphos
#31
Or,do you mean the guards alone,with solid *tips* covered by full length thinner plates?
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#32
Yep, this second drawing is what i mean. Then you round the edges of the hand side so that there is a flat surface only where the guard touches the scabbard chape. However, the iron sheet over the grip you painted on the first image is also common. But the guard would again be either like the one above, or no solid pieces, only sheet over organic.
Also, the pommel is usually hollowed the other way round, not like a barrel, but as if you have filed the middle of the cylinder.
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#33
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/...d-hilt.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/...ored-2.gif

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/...e-grip.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/...r/63cm.jpg
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#34
AH,thank you again Giannis,that clears it up perfectly,also,this is something I can forge in one piece (per side) with no problem Smile
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#35
Indeed some apear to be one piece, or the seam between the solid piece and the sheet is perfectly hidden. Certainly in those that one can see the seam, one has to look very very closely and with good light to distinguish it. Unfortunately most are too badly corroded to say for sure.
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#36
Quote:Indeed some apear to be one piece, or the seam between the solid piece and the sheet is perfectly hidden. Certainly in those that one can see the seam, one has to look very very closely and with good light to distinguish it. Unfortunately most are too badly corroded to say for sure.
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I'll try both ways at some point,there may be something new to learn even by doing a variation on even this small detail.
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#37
There's something I hadn't thought of,the ones with the flanges on the tang,like the naueII has,these have to be the earliest type.
That could be useful in assigning a general date to these? Even the flat tanged types,closer in general to the flanged type,earlier the sword?

I'll have to keep digging but,I wouldn't be to suprised to find there is a connection between the grip flanges going and,the guard profile becoming wider in general.
By the time we reach the Hellenistic period,from the limited examples I have to judge from,the guards are really wide(I have to do the last pass on them with a torch,just a hair to wide to fit in the forge)but,no grip flanges to be seen.
Just my opinion but,for a late Archaic/early Classical xiphos,a flanged grip would not be a bad option,maybe even a good one.


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