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Large \"barbarian hoard\" found near Germersheim(D)?
#16
Frankly I highly doubt there's a great Niebelungenhort treasure at all. I think the only "Great Treasure" of this era would likely be the burial of someone like Clovis or Attila. Especially considering any Gold and precious metals looted when Aetius destroyed the Burgundian kingdom of Bourbetomagus (Worms) would have gone back into the Roman Army and into circulation as coins.
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#17
Found other pieces of interest:
1) A map
https://maps.google.de/maps?q=r%C3%BClzh...=0CJQBELYD
2) A series of pics and maps putting the aforementioned into perspective -- a feature about Roman roads in this part of the Palatine (Pfalz).
http://www.archaeopro.de/archaeopro/Stru...%9Fe-1.htm
....well and putting the map into the perspective of my youth : I was digging trenches somewhere in this area while having my "Basic Training" in the German Luftwaffe.
We used to make joke about finding treasures then -- because we had to dig a lot. :whistle:

Greez

Simplex
Siggi K.
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#18
read in an Romanian newspaper here is the link but you will have to translate it with google
http://www.historia.ro/exclusiv_web/gene...mii-monede-
police action in really different zones from the country they found 3520 coins (ancient and medieval) and over 300 kg (Sic!) of iron weapons and tools (roman and dacian)

estimated value 100k EUR

well this is also something and is such a pity that all this was not properly digged out
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Gelu I.
www.terradacica.ro
www.porolissumsalaj.ro
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#19
I've tried and translated that one :
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/ku...10127.html
(...phhhhhh, I'm getting out of practice -- a hard Piece of work :dizzy: .)
IMHO slightly the best press-Review on the press conference.
Asks th right questions. So we shall forgive minor shortcommings -- shouldn't we ?!
Here it is:
The Mainz pillaging hoard.
Is it the complete Barbarian Hoard ?
February 19th, 2014. Silver dishes, golden ornaments, silver statuettes : These are the parts presented of a late antique "Barbarian Hoard", which were secured at an illegal digger's. But how much did he really find ?
By Dieter Bartetzko
PIC
"Silver statuettes and fittings of a"Commanders Seat""
No question that the "Barbarian Horad" presented at Mainz this Tuesday had been buried in panic: Whoever buried
object of value during the rapacious times of the Great Migration wasn't to be satisfied by burying the 2 feet deep only. But as the golden ornaments and the silver statuettes, the silver dishes and the guilded fittings of the "commanders' seat" , pressed into a wooden chest have been found at exactly that depth, this pseaks volumes that
they "went under earth" during a rout.

And a rout was often enough the only thing left for roman landowners, merchants and officials in the years to follow 406AD. The Roman Empire having been a safe place for centuries collapsed under the onslaught of Germanics.
Borders fell, cities and villages were plundered, the administration annihilated.
So did a rich roman during a raid on what is todays Forward Palatines (Vorderpfalz)grab his goodies, hid them by the road, having hoped to come back later and never returned instead unvoluntarily ?

PIC (DPA)

Were this cruciform gold bucklets decorating the robe of a roman or that of a germanic prince ?
Certainty is only about the fact that it must have been fabricated during the 5th century AD -- and was diecored in the process of an illegal digging.
But this suggestive assumption is challenged by the state of some of the precious parts.
The statuettes have been hacked into parts, the largest silver platter sliced into 4 parts like a tart.
"Hacked silver" is a term coined by archeologists for such parts, which have been deformated for easier transportation, a way of state in which "looting depots" from the migration period are often found.
In this case of a "Barbarian Hoard" this "secure" assumption is literally surrounded by riddles.
Although all of the finds date into the 5th century AD, the statuettes point to a provincial roman background, whereas the silver platters do so in direction of eastern europe.
Eyelets seem to indicate, that the golden ornaments resembling oaks-leaves were stitched to a representational robe. Archeologist-in-chief Axel von Berg presumption therefore points towards a germanic prince having owned it.
Such warlords literally hanging full of gold would fit into today's common picture of our "barbarian" ancestors.
But, alas, the civilized romans, on whose prejudices against "primitive" germanics most of our today's imaginations are based, were by no means immune to representative snobbery: Late antique depictions show courtiers, nobility and officials of both the eastern and the western part of the roman empire wearing ornates blistering with gold and jewellery. So it is reasonable to assume, that this "Barbarian Hoards" in fact (once) contained the ornamental robe of a high roman official -- with only th golden ornaments left.

PIC (DPA) : A "hacked" silver dish

The same holds true for the foldable (commander's) seat. The fragments still have not been (re-)arranged to an explicit entity. But even now a clear statement can be made, that it has to be considered a a piece of furniture preciously ornated, lavishly carved and foldable. Seats like this were considered a sign of authority/dignity of high ranks during Antiquity.
In jurisdiction e.g. it was considered an equivalnet to a judge's robe.
Speaking "Ex Cathedra" were the highest-ranking judges, exercising judgement in the provinces by authority of the
Empire and the Emperor -- and even the travelling Emperors of the early Middle Ages were still carrying with them luxurious folding seats, on which they took seat when giving judgements at their palatines (Pfalzen) and travelling
accommodations.

The folding seat of the "Barbian Hoard" being the former property of an important roman official ??
Or was it part of the power-insignias of a chief --as the Mainz experts hold as probable ??
But what about the silver stautuettes ?? Corase in style, the lines blurred, clothing swollen as common with sacks,
bulbous wrinkles of cloth, stern faces. Roman provincials' , late -- one could say.
But beyond that there are nothing but questions: Are these clothed figures germanic goddesses, which have been
assimilated into the roman Pantheon ?? Or roman priestesses in their offerings ornate ?? Are these busts remains of Lares, the household gods, which every roman kept under his own roof ? Or portraits of ancestors ?? Or merely
ornamental parts of decorated furniture ??

PIC (DPA)

Golden decorational pieces of a ceremonial robe from Late Antiquity.

What except melting, could a germanic chief have done to them ??
In 1 1/2 years , after thorough scrutiny, they should be able to tell more, says the Chief Archeological Authority of
Rheinland-Pfalz. But one hting is for sure already, there will remain large blind-spots of knowledge, for the
"Barbarian Hoard" has been secured as part of the loot of illegal diggings. hastily torn from the ground and having
tried to conceal all the traces of doing so.
Therefore there will be no additional findings about what happened there in Late Antiquity can be drawn from the find-spot anymore : all traces, all indicators invisible to non-experts have been destroyed.

One can't even be sure that the pieces presented here were the whole of that hoard or just part of a larger one that has already vanished into the arts trade biz, they stated on Tuesday.
So this find is both a sensation and a scandal, for only a few days after the discovery of plundered medieval and antique pottery at Bingerbrück it has become clear for a second time, that illegal trade of art flourishing for real not only as far as in Afghanistan or Iraque, but also amongst us in our very country.

Which objects of value may such a roman official of tribal prince, who wore such a guilded robe, have possessed also ?
How many of them have been sold ? How many "Barbarian Hoards" like this have already been "lifted" secretly hereabouts ??
Questions like these have to be taken seriuosly in the near future by exhibiting both the "Barbarian Hoard" and the one from Bingerbrück -- not the one "is it part of the Nibelungenschatz" asked on this occasion. (Which has been
ridiculed slightly -- and rightfully)

Source : F.A.Z.


Greez

Siggi

As always : the finder of mistakes shall Keep them. 8+)
Siggi K.
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#20
Found this on Past Horizons. Very pretty pictures

http://www.thelocal.de/20140219/german-a...oman-hoard
Moi Watson

Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Merlot in one hand, Cigar in the other; body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, what a ride!
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#21
Thanks for posting that , too.
Judging some headlines about that affair, and taking the contents of the informations given below the Headlines, I'm inclined to find the words "Hobby" or "Amateur",
a bit inappropriate. This guy customarily sold what he found/took and he was under police surveillance because of that. :whistle:
So, no hobby and no "love"(>amateur) for the archeology, but rather for the money, right ?! 8+)
I feel that the FAZ feature was the first newsline that got the perspective right here, IMHO.

Greez & Thanks

Siggi
Siggi K.
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#22
...O.K. all that's well end well ?
The little M.F. (metal finder ? or rather ......... !) :wink: who found that hoard near Rülzheim will finally be put on trial at Frankenthal says state-attorney's office.
http://www.mjv.rlp.de/icc/justiz/nav/634...0000000042
The delinquent stands accused of § 246 Chapter1 German Penal Code StGB.
(Estimated net worth: ca. 425.000 bis 575.000 EUR. Estimated penalty : Money or up to 3 years time. )
Greez

Simplex

Them pics again ( such beautiful things cannot been shown too often---when will the exhibition be ?")
http://www.swr.de/landesschau-aktuell/rp...index.html
Siggi K.
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#23
Well, I think that is very good news. About time these people were reined in.
Moi Watson

Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Merlot in one hand, Cigar in the other; body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming "WOO HOO, what a ride!
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#24
Now on display at the "Historisches Museum der Pfalz" Speyer
from Oct. 15th 2014 to Jan. 4th 2015.
(No englisch translation available yet :
http://www.museum.speyer.de/Deutsch/Sond...lzheim.htm )
Parts of "Da Press Kit" :
http://www.mannheim24.de/region/suedpfal...32957.html

Greez

Simplex
Siggi K.
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