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Late Roman Unit Sizes
(03-14-2019, 07:21 PM)Julian de Vries Wrote: the Chronography of 354... lynched the Romans of the soldiers of Moesia and 6,000 Roman men were killed by the soldiers

Oh yes, I love that chronicle - it's full of bizarre random details!

In this case, it's hard to tell who's being killed by whom, but it's possibly a garbled reference to the old 'Theban legion' again, which as we know has various estimated sizes, often of around 6000 or so.

But we also know that real late Roman legions could not have been 6000 men strong, or the army would have contained over three quarters of a million men in the legions alone.
Nathan Ross
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I just plugged in the traditional 5120 men for fun and the Gallic army was ~142,000 men strong, lol.
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Evan wrote:

I just plugged in the traditional 5120 men for fun and the Gallic army was ~142,000 men strong, lol.
 
Evan, what is the traditional 5120 men are you referring to? Is this the size of a legion?
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(05-19-2019, 03:13 AM)Steven James Wrote: Evan wrote:

I just plugged in the traditional 5120 men for fun and the Gallic army was ~142,000 men strong, lol.
 
Evan, what is the traditional 5120 men are you referring to? Is this the size of a legion?

I would guess the usual 6 x 80-man centuries = 480 men per cohort x 9 = 4320 + (one cohort of five double centuries of 160 men each = 800 men) = 5120.

I'm not sure what the rest means though! Is this based on the Notitia Dignitatum?
Nathan Ross
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Either Evan has gone missing with the ninth legion, or he is still trying to recover from watching the last episode of Game of Thrones.
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(05-21-2019, 10:31 AM)Nathan Ross Wrote:
(05-19-2019, 03:13 AM)Steven James Wrote: Evan wrote:

I just plugged in the traditional 5120 men for fun and the Gallic army was ~142,000 men strong, lol.
 
Evan, what is the traditional 5120 men are you referring to? Is this the size of a legion?

I would guess the usual 6 x 80-man centuries = 480 men per cohort x 9 = 4320 + (one cohort of five double centuries of 160 men each = 800 men) = 5120.

I'm not sure what the rest means though! Is this based on the Notitia Dignitatum?

Wouldn't it be 81 man centuries, since the centurion's supernumerary? According to Ross Cowan, double strength first cohorts, probably not as common, no longer existed in the late period.
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(05-31-2019, 12:23 AM)Condottiero Magno Wrote: According to Ross Cowan, double strength first cohorts, probably not as common, no longer existed in the late period.

Quite so. I think Evan's calculation was based on the standard notion of the 'traditional' legion of the middle Principiate.

I'm assuming he was pointing out that the legions of the Notitia era could not possibly have been this size, as the resulting armies would have been massive.
Nathan Ross
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