Robert,
The illustration of the three skull types can only represent, "some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time," to quote Abraham Lincoln. They do show a vague difference between the Pazyryk Yuezhi (extending from Afanisievo), the Tagars (extending from Andronovo, being a later migration), and the Tuvans (an indigenous Central Siberian population). Today, the Altai people are still Tuvans, descendants of the Siberian Argippeans of Herodotus but now with a Turko-Mongol appearance.
What I'd like to know is why the Yuezhi didn't look like the Wusun, Saka, or Tarim mummy people, but rather had dark brown hair and moutaches... probably with a predominance of brown eyes. This is what we see in the Hollard study in my last post. Hollard's findings included one haplogroup Q-M242 male, plus three individuals within the Q-154 subclade. These markers are Tuvan, which indicates to me that people who were buried together obviously slept together. In other words, by the time these people arrived as historical Yuezhi, they had roughly a 50% Tuvan admixture... if we refer to Hollard.
Actually, there's a way to get a rough idea of original Tuvan facial features; or what 1/2 of the Yuezhi looked like. Twenty years ago, Dr. Ilya Zakharov used hair samples of 430 Tuvans and discovered the DNA matched one group of Amerindians by 72% and another group by 69%. (Christian Science Monitor, Dec. 8, 1998, by Judith Matloff) In 2004, Peter N. Jones did an extensive study on Amerindian DNA. His conclusion noted the Siberian Y-DNA haplogroups of Q-242/Q-M3-- the same as in the Hollard study, the same Central Siberian Tuvan genes-- crossed Beringia and entered North America between 18,000-15,000 ybp. They crossed the entire continent and reached the extreme eastern provinces, including Maine. (My wife, a Russian, once gasped, "This is Just Like Siberia!")
Maine has a remaining population from this northern Siberian migration, a disappearing group of 1,200 Penobscots and Micmacs, the last survivors of the Algonquian Abenaki. I've collected 10 accurate images by professional portrait painters or photographers, dated from 1616 to 1885. The above illustration is NOT one of the portraits, just a colored 1740 sketch of two Abenakis. After 15,000 years in the northern zone, they were still wearing the traditional Siberian hood or hat. We recognize this head-gear as "Scythian" or "Saka," but the two styles originated eons before a long trek by the Afanisievo. If anyone wants to see these original Scythian hoods... and what the ancient Tuvans and Yuezhi might have looked like... I will post the photos. If the northern Amerindian comparison is too "off subject," then don't respond.
The illustration of the three skull types can only represent, "some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time," to quote Abraham Lincoln. They do show a vague difference between the Pazyryk Yuezhi (extending from Afanisievo), the Tagars (extending from Andronovo, being a later migration), and the Tuvans (an indigenous Central Siberian population). Today, the Altai people are still Tuvans, descendants of the Siberian Argippeans of Herodotus but now with a Turko-Mongol appearance.
What I'd like to know is why the Yuezhi didn't look like the Wusun, Saka, or Tarim mummy people, but rather had dark brown hair and moutaches... probably with a predominance of brown eyes. This is what we see in the Hollard study in my last post. Hollard's findings included one haplogroup Q-M242 male, plus three individuals within the Q-154 subclade. These markers are Tuvan, which indicates to me that people who were buried together obviously slept together. In other words, by the time these people arrived as historical Yuezhi, they had roughly a 50% Tuvan admixture... if we refer to Hollard.
Actually, there's a way to get a rough idea of original Tuvan facial features; or what 1/2 of the Yuezhi looked like. Twenty years ago, Dr. Ilya Zakharov used hair samples of 430 Tuvans and discovered the DNA matched one group of Amerindians by 72% and another group by 69%. (Christian Science Monitor, Dec. 8, 1998, by Judith Matloff) In 2004, Peter N. Jones did an extensive study on Amerindian DNA. His conclusion noted the Siberian Y-DNA haplogroups of Q-242/Q-M3-- the same as in the Hollard study, the same Central Siberian Tuvan genes-- crossed Beringia and entered North America between 18,000-15,000 ybp. They crossed the entire continent and reached the extreme eastern provinces, including Maine. (My wife, a Russian, once gasped, "This is Just Like Siberia!")
Maine has a remaining population from this northern Siberian migration, a disappearing group of 1,200 Penobscots and Micmacs, the last survivors of the Algonquian Abenaki. I've collected 10 accurate images by professional portrait painters or photographers, dated from 1616 to 1885. The above illustration is NOT one of the portraits, just a colored 1740 sketch of two Abenakis. After 15,000 years in the northern zone, they were still wearing the traditional Siberian hood or hat. We recognize this head-gear as "Scythian" or "Saka," but the two styles originated eons before a long trek by the Afanisievo. If anyone wants to see these original Scythian hoods... and what the ancient Tuvans and Yuezhi might have looked like... I will post the photos. If the northern Amerindian comparison is too "off subject," then don't respond.
Alan J. Campbell
member of Legio III Cyrenaica and the Uncouth Barbarians
Author of:
The Demon's Door Bolt (2011)
Forging the Blade (2012)
"It's good to be king. Even when you're dead!"
Old Yuezhi/Pazyrk proverb
member of Legio III Cyrenaica and the Uncouth Barbarians
Author of:
The Demon's Door Bolt (2011)
Forging the Blade (2012)
"It's good to be king. Even when you're dead!"
Old Yuezhi/Pazyrk proverb
