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Rome\'s Italic allies and enemies
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I was curious if there are any of you out there are interested in Rome's Italic allies and enemies, particularly those from southern Italy; Samnites, Lucanians, Apulians. I've been researching military equipment and methods of warfare from this region for many years now, and believe investigating this topic could offer a tremendous amount of insight into the continuum of development in later republican Roman legions.<br>
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Mike Burns <p></p><i></i>
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#2
Count me in, but I've found very little useful reference work in English, except for the ever-fascinating Etruscans. I'd be happy to learn of any. <p></p><i></i>
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#3
John,<br>
Sadly your right, and alot more needs to be done on the Italic peoples who fought against, and later for, the Romans. There is some fairly recent material though, that is in English, and deals with aspects of the Samnites etc. S.P. Oakley 1995. 'Hill-forts of the Samnites' is very useful study of these fortifications with excellent maps and plans of these sites. A. Small 2000. 'The use of javelins in central and south Italy in the 4th century BC' in Ancient Italy in its Mediterranean Setting. Although I dont agree with all of his conclusions, this is a good summary of how specialised javelins were being developed in different parts of Italy, as precursors to the later pila. G. Schneider-Herrmann's 1996. 'The Samnites of the Fourth Century BC', is a bit of a disappointment, although she shows alot of representations of Campanian, Lucanian and Apulian warriors, and some of their equipment, she really doesn't understand the material and her interpretations suffer because of this. In 'The Second Punic War: a reappraisal' 1996, there is a chapter by R. Rawlings called, Celts, Spaniards and Samnites: warriors in a soldier's war. Rawling's equating the Samnites in fighting methods and temperment to the Celts and Spaniards is a bit forced, but he does at least bring attention to them as contributing to Hannibal's war effort in Italy - a subject worth looking at since most of his replacements must have been recruited from these and other Italic peoples. Peter Connolly has an excellent introduction to these people's fighting methods and equipment in 'Greece and Rome at War', 1981, and an article on 'The development of breast-plates in Southern Italy' 1986, in Italian Iron-age Artefacts in the British Museum. But even he admits these need to be updated and alot more could be done. Having said that, I'm hoping to turn out a paper soon on the triple-disc and rectangular anatomical cuirasses from Southern Italy. I've managed to track down 38 triple-disc cuirasses in various museums and collections, and am always looking for more to add to my database if anybody knows of any?<br>
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Cheers<br>
Mike Burns<br>
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Ps. I'm a big fan of your SPQR series <p></p><i></i>
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#4
Hello all<br>
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I was sent this website a little while ago, I know little of teh Samnites to measure it against, but its seems quite good.<br>
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space.tin.it/io/davmonac/...dexen.html<br>
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Graham <p></p><i></i>
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#5
Mike:<br>
Glad you like the series. SPQR VII: THE TRIBUNE'S CURSE, will be out in March.<br>
Graham:<br>
Great site! I've never seen a lot of those specimens and I hope they get the translation of the armamentarium up soon. Obviously, the scholars are in love with their subject and show a certain bias. I can't agree with their idea that the Romans deliberately destroyed all of Samnite literature. The fact is, it's miraculous that we have any Classical literature at all. Only fractions of the great Greek and Latin poets' and playwrights' work have survived, and there were many, highly regarded at the time, of whom we have only their names, not a word of their works. This can't be attributed to Roman hostility, but to the blind chance of history. <p></p><i></i>
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#6
Graham,<br>
I have come across this site several times while searching the net for all things Samnite, and it is quite good. Alot of the artefacts (mostly from Pietrabbondante), vases and the fresco of a Capuan warrior with scutum, they show on their armamentarium page, are all housed in a fairly new museum at Capua Vetere if anyone is heading to Southern Italy. Really worth the visit and only about 30 minute train ride from Naples. I dont know about the reconstruction painting of Samnite warriors taken from the Osprey book 'Early Roman Armies' by Nick Sekunda. I have never once seen a scutum of that shape, or with a blazon which matches the tunic, from any Campanian, Lucanian or Apulian representational sources. Nor are these warriors ever depicted with a single greave, all those recovered from tombs come in pairs. I think these are heavily based on literary descriptions from Livy IX.40 and not the archaeology.<br>
cheers<br>
Mike Burns <p></p><i></i>
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