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What If The Romans Had Aircraft?
#1
What would you nominate for military aircraft that the Romans could have used, or would probably loved to have had, if they stuck around longer?

I definately nominate the A-10 Hog/Warthog/Thunderbolt II

Other than being completely biased with this aircraft, I think the Hog has it all spelled out as a perfect Roman aircraft:

- The names Thunderbolt and Hog just fit perfectly in Roman theme. (can't you just see a Boar's tusk motif on the nose, notunlike the infamous sharkmouth?)
- It kicks serious butt. Hands down. No questions asked.
- Shoot it to heck and it still flies!
- GAU-8 Avenger Gatling gun at 50 rounds a second...Nuf said! :twisted:
- It's a gorgeous aircraft, purpose built, just like them Romans :lol:

As for other aircraft:

F-15 Eagle ("Aquila"?)
AV-8B Harrier (well, any variant from AV-8A / GR.1 - AV-8C / GR.7)
F-105 Thunderchief/Thud
AC-130 Spooky
MiG-29 Fulcrum
Su-25 Frogfoot/Sturmovik II


Any other ideas? Doesn't have to be modern jet either...WW2 planes?

P-47 Thunderbolt/Jug (Well that's a given, isn't it?)
P-38 Lightning
Andy Volpe
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#2
I think the Hog is the clear choice... after all, the ground is where all the targets are... unless we're giving the Parthians MiGs?
Plus you could probably patch it together in the middle of Dacia with a blacksmith's shop and some ductus tapus.
Dan Diffendale
Ph.D. candidate, University of Michigan
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#3
Yeah! That's what I'm talking about!
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#4
Maybe we're both just glad that Barnes didn't get cut in the latest round of closings...
Dan Diffendale
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#5
has got to be the AC130! Of course it will need new name like , wings of mars, Jupiters Fist?
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#6
Problem is it could never happen. No way can you fit enough slaves in the engines to spin the turbines quickly enough. :wink:

Hot air balloons are more likely Smile No pila allowed.

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#7
I saw this on TV about ancient inventions. there was an ancient mechanical computer that i think was for celestrial mapping time keeping and navagation. I think it was done by th egreeks I dont remember. Then there was a part about how th eromans had a miniture steam engine but it was used to show how a liquid became a gas and it could spin or move something. the technology and abilitly was there just unfortunately they didnt pursue it i guess. can you imagine roman soldiers being transported by steam engine and hot air baloon.
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#8
Trains.
The Romans would have loved trains.
Lots of building infrastructure.
Fast internal transportation of troops.
Schedules, schedules, schedules.
Trains - The Roman dream machine.
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#9
Trains?
Nah.
The Romans had roads, so they would have loved cars! The Mechanised Legion! 8)
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#10
Cars???
Pheueey!!!
And you can quote me on that.
The Romans loved organization, standardization, controle, schedules.
All of these things relate to trains not cars.
Cars lead to independence, individuality, autonomy.
Look at California and the freeways out there.
Total mess.
The Romans would have hated it.
Horse drawn carriages and carts weren't even allowed in Rome during the day. That's why they used litters to carry wealthy people.
Cars???
Next someone will suggest tanks.
Wait - They would love tanks. ;-) )
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#11
yes they would love tanks the had the testudo, tanks being the next step up. and yes the trains would be a very roman thing. shiny steam engines red coaches trimmed in polished brass with eagles and spqr and wreaths all over. coaches assigned to the individual legion.....

tanks I think would possably be open in the back or closed in. sort of like a ballista or skorpion for weapon definitly covered on top. again the red and brass colouring. did anyone see the reconstruction of th eleonardo davinici stuff? it was a little while back. anyway the reconstructed davincis plane ( glider ) and tank and they worked they did some other things too and from what I remeber they all worked. gotta admit the ancients were pretty cool and inventive ( yes I know davinci wasnt an ancient but he came from the same mold as the romans and wasnt plagued by modern technology )
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#12
Trains, definitely a Roman thing. And the tracks always need maintenance, so plenty to keep soldiers busy with...

Not quite Roman but amusing nonetheless...
[Image: egypt.jpg]

The Antikythera mechanism was a found in a Greek shipwreck of the 1st century BC, and seems to have been used for calculating astronomical positions. Some links:
[url:2uiszk9g]http://www.giant.net.au/users/rupert/kythera/kythera.htm[/url]
[url:2uiszk9g]http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rrice/apagadgt.html[/url]

Hiero/Heron of Alexandria invented many things, including a little steam toy:
[Image: steamengine1.jpg]
But there seems to have existed neither the technology nor the will to make it into anything useful...
Dan Diffendale
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#13
Quote:But there seems to have existed neither the technology nor the will to make it into anything useful...

Why bother when slaves could do it for you? Intelligent robots at your command to do your every whim.

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#14
Quote:Cars???
Cars lead to independence, individuality, autonomy.
Look at California and the freeways out there.
Total mess.
[size=150:260t8d4n]U[/size]hhh wait a sec, you live in ole Virginny, can we say "beltway." In many ways, far more horrifying than any California freeway... ;-0
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#15
Quote:Cars lead to independence, individuality, autonomy.
Look at California and the freeways out there.
Total mess.
The Romans would have hated it.

The Romans would have perfected it! :lol:
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