04-17-2004, 11:18 PM
I know what you mean Rekirts, especially after a memorable summer years ago when the Mormons decided I was a possible convert. I only asked a question. It was very, very difficult to get them to stop. I was more impressed by their teeth than anything else.<br>
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However, as I was reading your post, I realised I'd fogotten converts. Those who seek to convert are occasionally successful, so all that business of the green eyed people not becoming brown, was only partly true. Unfortunately, these born-again conversions rather justify all the knocking on doors and public work that so irritates those who don't want it. We may be stuck with them.<br>
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I keep forgetting things like this, because in no small facet of my life am I a 'floating voter'. Like most of the people on this site and certainly on this string, I have an opinion on everything and am highly resistent to road-to-Damascus changes. As I write that, it doesn't seem a good thing, but hell, you can't stay open to everything forever. Sooner or later you have to say, 'I appreciate your opinion and that you see it as valid, but devil-worship is still a wasted Wednesday afternoon.'<br>
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Antoninus, I'm very glad you replied, especially so wittily. It was a pleasure. I thought it was possibly Jesuitical to argue that a table has to be believed in. I think the process of mentally recognising an object is different to faith, though I think I see what you meant.<br>
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I did notice, in the film, that Jesus sat on his table, so maybe he too wasn't absolutely certain it was one. Sometimes we all have to test, perhaps.<br>
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As a final point - I'm meant to be working, not getting caught up in this! - Goffredo, believing the universe watch implies a creator in no way leads to the end of study. If the watch is sufficiently complex, we curious humans will want to study it all the more to understand it. In fact, in a circular argument, you could say that because God made a complex universe with us in it, our search for knowledge is not only 'approved' but actually becomes part of the relationships that form the watch and prove the god. We prove the complexity by being interested enough in it to look.<br>
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Now look what you've done. My brain has overheated looking for the flaw in that last bit.<br>
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Conn<br>
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However, as I was reading your post, I realised I'd fogotten converts. Those who seek to convert are occasionally successful, so all that business of the green eyed people not becoming brown, was only partly true. Unfortunately, these born-again conversions rather justify all the knocking on doors and public work that so irritates those who don't want it. We may be stuck with them.<br>
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I keep forgetting things like this, because in no small facet of my life am I a 'floating voter'. Like most of the people on this site and certainly on this string, I have an opinion on everything and am highly resistent to road-to-Damascus changes. As I write that, it doesn't seem a good thing, but hell, you can't stay open to everything forever. Sooner or later you have to say, 'I appreciate your opinion and that you see it as valid, but devil-worship is still a wasted Wednesday afternoon.'<br>
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Antoninus, I'm very glad you replied, especially so wittily. It was a pleasure. I thought it was possibly Jesuitical to argue that a table has to be believed in. I think the process of mentally recognising an object is different to faith, though I think I see what you meant.<br>
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I did notice, in the film, that Jesus sat on his table, so maybe he too wasn't absolutely certain it was one. Sometimes we all have to test, perhaps.<br>
<br>
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As a final point - I'm meant to be working, not getting caught up in this! - Goffredo, believing the universe watch implies a creator in no way leads to the end of study. If the watch is sufficiently complex, we curious humans will want to study it all the more to understand it. In fact, in a circular argument, you could say that because God made a complex universe with us in it, our search for knowledge is not only 'approved' but actually becomes part of the relationships that form the watch and prove the god. We prove the complexity by being interested enough in it to look.<br>
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Now look what you've done. My brain has overheated looking for the flaw in that last bit.<br>
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Conn<br>
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