3rd cent greaves for 6th cent/Lorica Squamata shoulders?

[Thaddeus G. Moore]

1. What do you guys think about the suitability of earlier period greaves for post Roman britian late 6th century (dare I say arthurian?). I am thinking the other alternative is splinted greaves?

http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/produ ... ucts_id=79

2. According to the legio XX website Lorica Squamata had a reinforced should/cape piece like Hamata. If it had this wouldn't it also it need the hanger piece connecting the two ends of the "U" at the sternum to keep it from flapping around wildly? I have been digging for evidence of this but haven't found any. Arthur and the Anglo-Saxon wars osprey book shows hints (mostly obsecured by cloak) of pointed ends rather then the "stepped down" shoulder ends of the U like on hamata or a linothorax. Thoughts?

- Thaddeus G. Moore

[Robert Vermaat]

1. What do you guys think about the suitability of earlier period greaves for post Roman britian late 6th century (dare I say arthurian?). I am thinking the other alternative is splinted greaves?

Hi Thaddeus,
I think these are too early. Best check out this forum:[url:2i3fmr15]http://111935.aceboard.fr/111935-543-1555-0-Cnemides.htm[/url] for more versions. For good Late Roman examples, scroll down to the bottom of page 1.
Splint greaves (we did consider them) may be too late 97th-8th c.?) for your period.

[Daniel S Peterson]

If you were to make shoulder guards out of a set of earlier period greaves, it would be difficult for anyone to say this would be unauthentic. There are many cases of ancient objects being "recycled" for other purposes. I recall, for example, a Germannic shield boss that was nothing more than a reccycled Roman bowl!

[Thaddeus G. Moore]

If you were to make shoulder guards out of a set of earlier period greaves, it would be difficult for anyone to say this would be unauthentic. There are many cases of ancient objects being "recycled" for other purposes. I recall, for example, a Germannic shield boss that was nothing more than a reccycled Roman bowl!

I guess I didn't phrase my question very well. Or confused everyone asking two seperate questions in the same thread.

The way I see it wearing something from a earlier period can't really ever be "unauthentic" since it obviously it did exist before that time period in the same culture. though It may have fallen out of common use/fashion. Once the legions departed Brition there was was no more "army standard issue". So the question is: Would it be appropiate for a late 6th cent Briton warrior to wear the appove linked greaves (which I think have been dated to a 3rd century Balkans find).

Second question: What is known about the reinforced shoulder piece (like the ones found on hamata) on squamata.



http://www.larp.com/legioxx/squamata.html

"A shirt of scale armor was shaped in the same way as a lorica hamata, mid-thigh length with the shoulder doublings or cape. "

[Flavius Promotus]

Has anybody already bought these greaves ? If yes, would you recommend them ?
I'm doing early 3rd century, so I could use them without a chronological loop de loop :wink:

[Robert Vermaat]

Has anybody already bought these greaves ?

Chariovalda bought these:

I bought these:
[url:2zcazy3g]http://img133.echo.cx/img133/6834/cnmideslaiton13ql.jpg[/url]
They are reputed to be ready, but we don't actually have them yet.. :?

[Flavius Promotus]

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[Flavius Promotus]

Ooops forgot something...

Are they also from the Mercenary's Tailor? And how much did they cost?
Do you think they would be ok for my time period, or are they already too late?

Sorry for all the questions :oops:

[Comerus Gallus]

What bad has those shin guards that Legio XX say to avoid? just because they wouldn't fit to every body or because they are wrongly constructed?... I thing the matter is the size right?.... Because they seems to be made in the same way that in H R Robinson 've it reconstructed...

Example:



This one from this seller I find it a little odd, but not that bad either:
http://therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c613.html

This I found it better, but if you 've not too wide legs:
Good for 3rd Century.
http://www.mwart.com/xq/ASP/pid.777/qx/productlg.htm

And I 've a 3rd century impression plate, that impressed me a lot hock: .... I wish someone don this impression.... He 've the same shin that it is sale for $70



Oh! I forgot!.... Dan Peterson have a pair made in the same way but hightly decorated ...

[Robert Vermaat]

Do they fit well? Are you satisfied?

We don't actually have them yet.
They were tailor-made for us by a member of the Herculiani, a French Late Roman group. They cost between €75 (iron) and €125(brass) if I remember correctly (we'll get the bill with the stuff I suppose!).

Yes, they'd be OK for the 3rd century.

[Flavius Promotus]

Anybody from the Herculiani here ? I've met your group at Trier ("Brot und Spiele").
Whoever makes these beautiful greaves, do you think he would make another pair?
(The price seems to be more than ok!)

VALE,
Aurelius Florianus/Flavius Promotus

[Robert Vermaat]

Anybody from the Herculiani here ?

Yes:
Damien/Paulus Claudius Damianus: [url:7ap4tp9r]http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1036[/url]
Patrick Demory: [url:7ap4tp9r]http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1113[/url]

I've met your group at Trier ("Brot und Spiele").
Whoever makes these beautiful greaves, do you think he would make another pair?

The problem may be that you have to be measured up to make fitting ocrae.