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Quote:what exactly is a Goryat? .
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Sorry, daft spelling mistake - that is Gorytos.....It's the holder for arrows and the bow....the most famous one---[url:1l0d21us]http://www.athenapub.com/8goldnom.htm[/url]
[url:1l0d21us]http://www.classics.und.ac.za/projects/scythians/costume.htm[/url]
Another interesting page...don't think i've posted this link...[url:1l0d21us]http://www.baghdadmuseum.org/ref/index.php?title=Scythia[/url]
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Out of interest, what is the attraction of the Scythians for people? for me it was the bright colours they were depicted as wearing in a history book (Usbourne junior, or something like that)
That is an interesting Gorytos, not sure how much gold ive got laying around the house though. would they be made just from leather, or would they be formed around some sort of frame? Would it be made from a single piece of leather or multiple? Whats the best way to learn the sorts of skills neccessary for a project like this?
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Khairete, Quote:Out of interest, what is the attraction of the Scythians for people? for me it was the bright colours they were depicted as wearing in a history book (Usbourne junior, or something like that)
That is an interesting Gorytos, not sure how much gold ive got laying around the house though. would they be made just from leather, or would they be formed around some sort of frame? Would it be made from a single piece of leather or multiple? Whats the best way to learn the sorts of skills neccessary for a project like this?
just typed some answers and my browser decided to shut down....grrrr start again.... 
I am also interested in the Sarmatians and other horse warriors/cavalry and found myself drawn to the Scythians. I have to admit I love the outfits and armour too.
An attraction for a lady portraying a Scythian, or Sarmatian for that matter, is that we do not have to pretend to be male..!
The gorytos does not have to be gold and can be made of leather, although I assume you will not be using the skin of your enemies hands... :lol:
This is the rather gorgeous and wellknown reconstruction of the warrior armour which shows clearly the construction of the leather gorytos...which is rather like a large gun holster ...[url:280gw9l5]http://www.rom.on.ca/gold/gallery4.html[/url]
This one was for sale on a Forum, although I don't know how accurate the design is ...[url:280gw9l5]http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/55BC-410/adverts/xw_139.html[/url]
The Scythians of the HA have a somewhat different design, which is based on the Pazyryk culture and beautifully patterned.
Paul A may know of some resources...!
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See the image?
Its the dead guy reconstructed with his facial tatoos. He is no indoeuropean but rather Kalmuk or Huigur and seems to verify Procopios about the Huns.
I asked my wife to translate the latest of the Pazyryk Tombs.
The tomps were found in 1949. People were unclear about the origins of Skythians then and even considered them like mongols. We now know it is not the case. Perhaps the local Kalmuks have right when they claim that the tombs were of their ancestors and better left undisturbed.
The question started because the entombed lady was not mongoloid and she has no tattoos. Was she a slave of the Leader? Was she a Treaty-Bride? Or worse, did the guy belong to a torturers clan?
My have had an incredulus look on her face when she translated that the most "incredible" thing on the man´s tatoos were that except the Mythical animals (elks with birdheads on their horns and something looking like griffin), all other animals tatooed on the guy´s body were depicted with their intestines turned inside out and their buttocks represented as they were "abused"!!!!!!! My wife was disturbed by that. I do not put the full description because we are not an adult site and we will violate the posting rules.
I do not have the Melitopol staff now at home so I will gave to google it.
The Skythian gorytos in Philips grave was wood covered with gold.
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Khairete Quote:See the image?
Its the dead guy reconstructed with his facial tatoos. He is no indoeuropean but rather Kalmuk or Huigur and seems to verify Procopios about the Huns.
My have had an incredulus look on her face when she translated that the most "incredible" thing on the man´s tatoos were that except the Mythical animals (elks with birdheads on their horns and something looking like griffin), all other animals tatooed on the guy´s body were depicted with their intestines turned inside out and their buttocks represented as they were "abused"!!!!!!! My wife was disturbed by that. I do not put the full description because we are not an adult site and we will violate the posting rules.
Is your wife of Russian ancestry, Stephanos or just fluent in the language?
That description sounds pretty awful and reminds me of the Viking 'blood eagle' or something...I wonder if the guy was a sacrificial priest...?
The tattoos look reminiscant of some South Sea islanders.
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My wife is Russian with University edjucation and has exelent command of the language. She was involved in volk groups as a student and she and her fellow students from Caucasus proved a treasure of information.
The more I delve into the thing I suspect that the guy might be some sort of shaman as you suggested, perhaps of the "dark gods" not the light spirits.
His face is the only acceptable depiction for all audiences.
Comes close to Procopius reference to the Huns "scarring" their faces to comemorate their battle bravery. Wargamers had Hsiong-Nu and Skythians in the same army-list but now we know they were different people.
I could not find a pic of the woman. Perhaps she is Skythian because se was frequently described as indo-european and in westrern and russian sources.
As I said I feel that the local Kalmucks and Uigurs have some validity on their claim that the guy was one of them but the woman might be Skythian.
Still I am looking for info on the other Skythian finds but it will take time.
Hope my gorytos info was usefull. I think Comerus posted some pics of it.
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The lay is Indo-European. That type of face can be found to day in women of the Finno-Ungric stock. The Skytheans based on the Ukraine/South Russia findings have been idendtified of mixed Iranic-Finno-Ungric stock. Of cousre the odd personality of other tribes might have existed.
The non-turkic people of Cauacasus are closer to the ancient Skythians.
In Dagestan Avars (yes Avars!) still exist. And in south-Ossetia people speak an Iranic dialect. The Slaves initially were forest nomads. Some tribes were Skythian allies and some their slaves.
Slavs come from the ancient slavic word "Slova" which means "honor/fame".
When the Avars crossed the Danube a number of their slaves were of slavic stock but not only Slavs. Byzantines called them "Skalvini" and they are the source of the misconseption that Slav origianted from the word slave.
Byzantines are the source of many misconception and some careless modern writers take them literally withou bothering to research their subject.
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Khairete,
the thing that confuses me about the gorytos being 'Scythian' is that the workmanship is Greek, well it looks it to me.
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I thought he looked like a South Sea islander, too! In fact, he reminds me of depictions of Quequeg in "Moby Dick". I can't tell you much about sources for Scyth kit, but my colleagues can. However, I did get a Scyth bow for £58 at Cressing Temple Market. I understand the guy's arm has gone back into its socket quite nicely...
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Quote:Khairete,
the thing that confuses me about the gorytos being 'Scythian' is that the workmanship is Greek, well it looks it to me.
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You are right. Skythians traded with the Krimean-Greek Colonists.
Also Audata being the wife of the boss (Philip) could order the decoration to the finest craftsmen or Phil gave it as a present to her after she gave birth to Kynane. Many plausible explanations.
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Quote:Arthes you will like this!  somebody post it here.
http://blog.arlt.co.uk/blog/Sculpture/_ ... 19757.html
http://blog.arlt.co.uk/blog/Sculpture/_ ... 19755.html
Thank you, I do like it.....in fact I would love the original
I've seen a glimpse of it before in a not too good photo...
was supposed to be a representation of Paris of Troy.....he doesn't look anything like Orlando Bloom, though definitely looks Elven in the frontal shot....... :lol: :lol:
Just had a thought about that.....they depicted Elves as wearing pointy hats in some cases....and they used bows of course...... :roll:
Did you notice this one....[url:37jfwgf3]http://blog.arlt.co.uk/blog/Sculpture/_archives/2005/2/20/333263.html[/url] hehehe
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Quote:Did you notice this one....[url:2nbzeq9i]http://blog.arlt.co.uk/blog/Sculpture/_archives/2005/2/20/333263.html[/url] hehehe
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Wow, just like some avatar of some fellow member.. can't think of who at the moment...
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The ram was ascociate with ARES-wargod-in skythian culture.
If this guy who owned it could pay for decoration he was not a commoner.
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Nice link to a great Skythian reconstruction.
http://home.mnet-online.de/sgian/Bilder ... ythin1.jpg
Guess she doesn´t rooftiles. Eh Arthes?.
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Quote:Nice link to a great Skythian reconstruction.
http://home.mnet-online.de/sgian/Bilder ... ythin1.jpg
Guess she doesn´t rooftiles. Eh Arthes?.
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Maybe they are sitting out of sight..... :lol:
That is a very nice outfit and bow ....
I was busily trying on Scythian style winter hats in shops today....well Siberian (knitted not fur... :evil: ) my daughter said......
:x I forgot to buy the one I wanted, when she disappeared for ages.... !!!
The other pictures are rather interesting too....like this sword...
http://home.mnet-online.de/sgian/Bilder ... ert_LT.jpg
http://home.mnet-online.de/sgian/Bilderordner/UK1.jpg 
I haven't seen the helm before, didnt Alexandros wear those rams 'horns' too...?
There has been some evidence to connect the Scythian's sacrificial hands and God with Tyr and his hand lost to Fenris....well I made the suggestion in a Forum.
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