Republican Baeltus and or Cingulum info?

[Gaius Marius Cingetorix]

Ave,
I’m looking for more pictures and info on what a Late Republican age soldier’s Baeltus or Cingulum would have looked like, dimensions, lack or presence of “dangilumsâ€ÂÂ

[Praefectusclassis]

Seen this one? Minucius Lorarius

[Gaius Marius Cingetorix]

Thanks Jasper! I tried to scan the images, but I would have had to have gone through every one to find what you found. Sounds like I need to pick a night and just surf the images.

So from looking at the the late Minucius Lorarius, and comparing what is visible of the belt to his hands, I am thinking that the belt would have been around the 3.5 cm width(1.5 in). There is no inscribed plates or decoration(could have been painted on originally though) and definitely not any “dangilumsâ€ÂÂ

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

I only know some exemplars of republican cingulum plates from Numantia (Spain). Probably, like Minucius tombstone shows, republican cingulum were not so decorated like in imperial times.

The ending of the Minucius cingulum are divided in 4(?) straps, probably being the forerunner of the imperial "dangilums".

In a Bishop's article posted online recently in RAT, you can find some ideas about that.

[Matthew Amt]

Avete!

Armillum's belt parts look great, but they're all Augustan or later, as far as I can tell. There are only a few bits and pieces from Republican sites that might or might not be belt plates. I used a couple of them on the belt for my gladius hispaniensis:

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/hispan1.jpg

Note that the use of the dics-ended pieces as frogs for the sword is hypothetical! It is pretty clear that the sword hung from the belt and that 2 little buckles were part of the system, but that's about it.

I think the Ahenobarbus altar shows at least one belt with rectangular plates, but no design is visible. Small plain plates (optionally tinned) seem to be the safest bet for the Caesarian era, but a belt without plates at all might be correct, too!

Wish we knew more. Valete,

Matthew

[Gaius Marius Cingetorix]

Thanks!

Lucius, I am a dummy and am un able to locate the Bishop's article of which you speak. Gotta a link? url? something?

Mat, you phrased what I was beginning to notice perfectly. Republican type was likely pretty plain or decorated with plain plates. That's why I was unsure of the Armillums, and why I ask in here.

So in summary, when get back to the states, my first project will be "The belt" Unadorned at first, no dangilums or plates, 1 1/2 in wide. Now that I think about it I can pick up a brass utility heel bar buckle (pound it flat) and a leather blank for about $25 from Tandy Leather. YAY another project when I get home.

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

Here's the link:

[url:12xumg47]http://www.jrmes.org.uk/vol03/bishop.pdf[/url]