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Show here your Greek warrior impression
I would definatelty try to be there even though I don't belong to any reenacting group. It would be fun.
"A wise man learns from his mistakes, but the truly wise man learns from the mistakes of others."
Chris Boatcallie
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Well well well! Now this is a very interesting and beutiful impression of a non-Spartan(at last) hoplite. The cuirass looks even better when worn,and the helmet I like it more painted.The sauroter looks nice. I had seen these sauroters and wondered about their quality and weight. What do you think about them? I have a set from manning imperial,but I have a thought the sauroter might be a bit heavy...And Craig had made mine a bit thinner than his usual ones. I wonder if this one is lighter.
The pretyges look nice. Their length and style place you in the end of the fifth century or beginning of the fourth. You would have been a Peloponnesian War veteran...or one of Xenophon's lochagoi,or strategoi,with your fine equipment...Gosh,you've taken too many laudes from me! And I suspect more are coming.
Khaire
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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A Corinthian from the Hylleis Doric tribe.

Laudes!!!
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Excelent work Chris and excelent impression!!

Big LAUDES for you!
Javier Sánchez

"A tomb now suffices him for whom the whole world was not sufficient"
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Thanks everyone.

Giannis, the sauroter isn't that heavy. It seems to be sturdy and well constructed from what I can surmise. The spearhead, on the other hand, is extremely heavy and I cannot wait to replace it with a lighter head.
"A wise man learns from his mistakes, but the truly wise man learns from the mistakes of others."
Chris Boatcallie
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Nemea 2008

The hoplites are coming!
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Hoplitodoromy! Two races!
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1st and 2nd race winners pose proudly
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The king awards boduguard priviledge to the winners
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The king carries the banner of glory!
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Our brother from Australia in the center of a honor guard at the end
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Kind regards
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Congratulations Stefane! It must have been a nice event. Hope more to come. That red and white crest is nice.
Khaire
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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The photos of the event are wonderful! Very atmospheric, especially with the right backgrounds....
Just a suggestion, not a criticism, the Hoplite impressions could be improved by some accurate sleevelesschitons, rather than inaccurate 'Roman' sleeved tunics ( the Classic greek chiton has neck and arm openings at the top, which produces the uneven hem......unlike Roman tunics with armholes at the side). They are fastened by pins....

Being a simple one piece of cloth, they would be cheap and easy to produce, and would certainly give the excellent impressions a better and more accurate look.......
"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori " - Horace
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)

"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
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I second Paulus!(once again in that matter). Paul,i think that at least the white chitons,which are used during the race,were given to them by the organisers. This doesn't change much,since the rest of chitons are sleeved.
And the chitons were not pinned. They were either sewn or buttoned. No evidence of those dots being tiny pins.
Khaire
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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Giannis wrote:
Quote:And the chitons were not pinned. They were either sewn or buttoned. No evidence of those dots being tiny pins.

Herodotus (V.87) tells us otherwise, at least for Doric Chitons.....
"Then after the wives of those men who had advanced with the army against Aegina had learned by inquiry, since they considered something awful that he alone out of all had been brought to safety, as round about they took hold of that man and were stabbing him with the pins of their clothes, each of them asked where was her husband. And that one was destroyed thus and to the Athenians something still more awful than their suffering seemed to be the work of the women. They indeed knew not with what else they should punish the women, but changed their clothing to Ionian; for indeed the women of the Athenians were wearing before then Dorian clothing, most near to Corinthian. Accordingly they changed to the linen tunic, that indeed they might make no use of pins.

Now, for those who make use of a true account that clothing anciently is not Ionian, but Carian, since at any rate all the ancient Greek clothing of the women was the same that we now call Dorian. And the Argives and the Aeginetians in fact thereupon made the following to be law, that among each of them the pins should be made half as long again as the established measure then and at the shrine of those goddesses the women should dedicate pins most of all, and they should bring nothing Attic to the shrine nor earthenware, except that made from native materials, as a law, should be used. Now, the women of the Argives and the Aeginetians ever since that time, in accordance with their quarrel with the Athenians, customarily were wearers still ,even to my time, of longer pins than previously."

OTOH The multiple joins on linen Ionic chitons may well be sewn.....but I strongly doubt buttons in classical Greece, simply because I haven't seen any archaeological examples of bone/wood buttons etc....do you know of any?
"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori " - Horace
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)

"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
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Thanks!
Not all chitons were pinned. Pins ar ascociated more with the Ionic chitons.

Our chitons are NOT sleeved. But tucked in the armor or formed by shoulder shape the seem like being sleeved.

The white chitons were given by the organizers and we had to used them by the rules of the games.

Kind regards
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Quote:Not all chitons were pinned. Pins ar ascociated more with the Ionic chitons.
Yes, agreed...Herodotus tells us that Doric(woollen) chitons were pinned, and that Ionic(linen), with their multiple joins were not. (I am assuming you meant "Doric" when you wrote "Ionic")
"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori " - Horace
(It is a sweet and proper thing to die for ones country)

"No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" - George C Scott as General George S. Patton
Paul McDonnell-Staff
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Well Done Stefane and give my regards to the others. I ought to be there. Oh well, next year maybe Smile
Spyros Kaltikopoulos


Honor to those who in the life they lead
define and guard a Thermopylae.
Never betraying what is right,
consistent and just in all they do
but showing pity also, and compassion
Kavafis the Alexandrian
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First,Herodotus is talking aonly of female chitons. And indeed,big pins,very often elaborate and richly decorated have been found.Some of them are golden,and yes,they have a very long point. But such pins are shown used to fasten the peplos and not the chiton itself. Is Herodotus saying "clothes", "chitons" or "peplos"?
I have not seen anything identified as "buttons" in museums. What i do have seen,though, is burrials where the clothes have not survived,of cource,but around the body there are small rounded glass or stone fittings that were pierced and supposedly "sewn" on the clothes. Such burrial can be seen for example in the Abdera museum.
The long pins described by Herodotus are indeed very fearsome,so much that i often wonder how didn't they injure themselces. They also seem very heavy(given they're made of gold or bronze). In Thessaloniki museum there are some golden ones more than 10cm long!
Sleeved chitons existed in early times,as a descendant of mycenean clothing. In Archaic times there were no sleeves,only artificial ones,made by fastening the chiton in more than one spot. The "fake" sleeved chitons appear again in early 4th century.
Khairete
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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Here are some pins and some "dress attachments"
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What are those ehem..."dress attachments"? And those pins are relatively small,compared to some of what i have seen.
Khaire
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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