Names

[FAVENTIANVS]

IVAN, m, Russian, Czech, Croatian, Slovene, Bulgarian, Ukrainian form of JOHN.

FAVENTIANVS, from the Colonia Iulia Augusta Fauentia Paterna Barcino(Barcelona), though, the Barcinonenses were also called Fauentiani.

[tlclark]

It also goes well with liver and chiante. :twisted:

My re-enacting name is Theodoros, which is gift of God.

My real name is Travis, which means 'crossing' and Clark comes from an ancient scottish word which means "Hey Sailor" I think. :wink:

Travis

I'll have to try it sometime

About your surname your are pulling my Johny foreigner leg yes? My surname means son of a wanted criminal (No I'm not joking)

Yes I'm joking but only slightly.

Clark comes from the scottish and it means Clerk, Scribe or Bookkeeper. In theory it indicates your trade. In reality it's one of the most common english names of the 17th C. You could get in trouble for claiming a highbrow name but nobody looked askance at anyone claiming Clark.

Travis

[Robert Vermaat]

Probably, Jasper, Caspar are both derived from "Gaspar" through an Arabian intermediary, because Arabs can not pronounce the /g/. So, no original /kh/ needed.

Eh? Arabs are perfectly capabele of pronouncing the G! I studied Arab for a bit so I should know. And.. ever heard an Arab shouting 'Achtentachtig allemachtig' at you in downtown Jerusalem?

It's the P they can't pronounce (Baris for Paris, Falestine for Palestine, etc.)

[Jona Lendering]

Probably, Jasper, Caspar are both derived from "Gaspar" through an Arabian intermediary, because Arabs can not pronounce the /g/. So, no original /kh/ needed.

Eh? Arabs are perfectly capabele of pronouncing the G! I studied Arab for a bit so I should know. And.. ever heard an Arab shouting 'Achtentachtig allemachtig' at you in downtown Jerusalem?

It's the P they can't pronounce (Baris for Paris, Falestine for Palestine, etc.)

Or Farsi for Parsi, much to the disgust of the Iranians. In the meantime, I am developping some second thoughts about the gutturals, and agree that the Kasper and Jasper may indeed have less to do with eachother than I initially assumed.

BTW, our Dutch G is not a real G; I just put something online here.

[Praefectusclassis]

Hmmm. Your btw won't be appreciated by some in my extended family, but that article is very interesting. Thanks!

[taira1180]

To Spyros: Taira was the name of a japonese clan of the XII century, and i use it as username, since i like very much history of japan. But my real name is Fabiano. By curiosity, my father is italian and was from Aradeo, a village in the south of italy who was greek until the XI century (it still belonged to Byzantium by that time), so i have probably some greek blood too!

[satsobek]

Well, there's already someone else on the forum with one of the variants of my first name. Mine is specifically Christianne but I shorten it to Christy, (but there are lots of variants that all basically mean the same thing I think). Cristina probably told more about the name than I know!

My middle name is Carmen, which IS really a latin derivative (in this case, Spanish I think). In Latin, carminia, means a sort of song. It's also of course associated with the color red, of course. It was my grandmother's first name, so I got it as a sort of family tribute.

My last name Beall, and all it's variants (Bel, Beal, Bell, etc) are originally Scottish. The Beall's didn't really have their own Scottish clan exactly, they were sort of members of others, so you won't see us having a tartan or anything. All of the names originate from the name for the Celtic diety Bel/Bal... who I believe was a god of fire (among other things) in Celtic mythology. Though it can in no way be proven 100%, most people who are historians of the family name suspect that the original people who used it were of the priestly order, in other words, Druids. But that was A LONG time ago. I'm a Roman collaberator now.

Finally, my online name Satsobek, is from ancient egyptian, and means "daughter of the crocodile," or "daughter of the crocodile god". And is represented by the hieroglyphs of a crocodile, a duck and loaf of bread. (Partially phonetic and partially symbolic). I chose it because I liked how it sounds and also because I've always liked reptiles and used to keep them as pets, so I figured it was fitting.

[spyros]

To Spyros: Taira was the name of a japonese clan of the XII century, and i use it as username, since i like very much history of japan. But my real name is Fabiano. By curiosity, my father is italian and was from Aradeo, a village in the south of italy who was greek until the XI century (it still belonged to Byzantium by that time), so i have probably some greek blood too!

Ah dozo.
Aradeo you say thats in Calabria! Magna Grecia .
Just the the other day I was in festival in the Museum of Traditional Music. There was a band of Hellenophones from Calabria. Actually from Gallipolis and Tarantum. It's very strange to hear their songs. Their dialect is not so archaic like the Pontians but still difficult to understand, specially if you think that it derivies from Doric with heavy italian influence.

So yes, you might have some greek ancestors.
Ahhh the Mediterranean salad, almost as bad as the balkan salad :roll: . I have a Russian great grandmother and a french great great great grandfather my self. If I search a bit more I might find an Eskimo :lol:

[Robert Vermaat]

BTW, our Dutch G is not a real G; I just put something online here.

Great article - another laudes for you!
Is our -CH- really our own, if our -G- isn't?

Names:
My first name Robert is Germanic, seems to derive from Hrothberd or something, meaning either ‘bright fame’ or ‘famous in counsel’, from the Germanic elements "hrode," meaning counsel or fame, and "beraht," meaning bright. There are so many variations they’re too numerous to mention (but some are: Róbert, Roberto, Rupert, Rubert, Robertson, Robin, Robinson, Robbins, Robben, Riobard, Robby, Robbie, Robey, Rober, Rab, Rob, Bobby, Bob, Bert, Berty, Tito, Dob, Dobbs)

My last name derives from the word “maa’tâ€

[taira1180]

Well, the must funny, is that my wife is parsi, so my son is a mixture of parsi, portuguese, and italian. My wife have a cousin (who is also parsi) who married with an indian xiite, and i have a cousin (portuguese) who married a chinese girl. This is true globalization!

[Comerus Gallus]

But my real name is Fabiano. By curiosity, my father is italian and was from Aradeo, a village in the south of italy who was greek until the XI century (it still belonged to Byzantium by that time), so i have probably some greek blood too!

That is cool Taira!, even dough seems that nobody cares about that, at less you are 100% the thing seems, that happens to me, no body seems to care.

Ooooh then!

In my case because my ancestors were nobles, people expect much of you, & care less when cant have benefit of you...

I know even nobles that wish to get rid of their heavy names, because they expect to be treated as they are, actualy Nobles, & they cant get that respect from many.

Even my girlfriend L** settled to my country, the wife of a Greek aristocrat " Venizelos" in this case, because she get not that respect that she deserve it.

BTW: I may suspect, perhaps, some ancestors members of your family, had moved to mailand Greece, centuries ago, The Byzantine Emperor brough thousands of Italian greeks who lived in Italy since millenia, to Greece, because Greece didnt have enough population....

Perhaps you have some very distant cousins! :lol:

[taira1180]

Well, maybe :wink: . I usually say to my wife that maybe our ancestors have fight in Salamina, or in one Septimus severus expeditions x .

[Comerus Gallus]

Well, maybe :wink: . I usually say to my wife that maybe our ancestors have fight in Salamina, or in one Septimus severus expeditions x .

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Include the Pyrrhic Wars! :wink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pyrrhus_route.jpg

[Jona Lendering]

Is our -CH- really our own, if our -G- isn't?

The only sounds that are (almost) unique in the Dutch language are the diphthongs, the /UI/ and /EU/ and /IJ/.

BTW, our Dutch G is not a real G; I just put something online here.

Great article

Thank you very much. Writing this piece was important for me; language is one of the few things that connects us here and now with the people back then. Besides, my father was a teacher of the Dutch language. What I regret is that I was unable to finish the article with another poem by Gerard Reve, De Blijde Boodschap. I am afraid, however, that the irony of it can not be translated. It is wicked, perhaps even blasphemous, but there's no doubt that the final lines are very sincere.

[Primvs Pavlvs]

Paul is from the Latin meaning the best looking and hunky Roman reenactor on RAT2


Actually! From the Roman family name Paulus, which meant "small" or "humble" in Latin.

Somehow this just doesnt fit me does it :wink:

Last name is Mullins which is from the Gaelic O'Maolain, which is possibly derived from the Gaelic word maol (bald). Combined it can mean Son of the Little Bald man.