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The Name "Tiberius", "Caligula", "C
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11-08-2006, 08:39 AM
Hi all!

The tread, The name "Octavian", was very intersessting and I thought it could be fun to make a series of it by asking about what the second, third, fourth and fifth emperors where called in their own time. Did the system of naming change or did it continue in the style of Augustus.

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#2
11-08-2006, 11:10 AM
You mean like

Tiberius:

Tiberius Claudius Nero
becoming
Tiberius Caesar Augustus
called
Tiberius

"Caligula":

Gaius Julius Caesar
name as emperor:
Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
called
Gaius

nowadays known as Caligula (name was used only some time after his death

the rest of the Julio-Claudians:
Claudius
Tiberius Claudius Nero Germanicus,
Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
called Claudius

Nero
Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus,
Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus
called Nero
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11-08-2006, 11:40 AM
Lucius Septimius Bassianus and after 7 years Marcus Aurelius Antoninus - "Caracalla"

Varius Avitus Bassianus - ""Elagabalus"

Marcus Julius Gessius Alexianus - "Alexander Severus"
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11-08-2006, 02:21 PM
Marcus Aurelius Valerius Maximianus Herculius - "Maximian"
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11-08-2006, 03:01 PM
Marcus Aurelius was:

-born: Marcus Annius Verus
-adopted by T. Aurelius Fulvius Boionius Arrius Antoninus (i.e. Antoninus Pius): Marcus Aelius Aurelius Verus
-ascension to emperor with his brother: Imperator Caesar M. Aurelius Antoninus Augustus
-added names: Armeniacus and Parthicus

In any event, the names changed so many times that it's actually nearly impossible to keep track of them following Nero, and Nero's is a difficult one in itself to keep track of. I have a list of the way names changed somewhere... I'll try to dig it up. I had from Augustus to Septimius Severus....

Here's a decent resource: De Imperatoribus Romanis
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11-09-2006, 01:37 AM
About Caligula ("little boots") that has something to do with an anecdote about him going with his father to a legionary camp and having had a minature legionary's gear(or at least the caligae) for him, does it not?
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11-09-2006, 02:19 AM
Quote:About Caligula ("little boots") that has something to do with an anecdote about him going with his father to a legionary camp and having had a minature legionary's gear(or at least the caligae) for him, does it not?
Correct. Tactius relates:
  • ...already there was an infant begotten in the camp and brought up in the legions' billet, whom in soldierly designation they called "Caligula," because he was often dressed with that covering on his feet to win the affection of the crowd."
    -Annals 1.41.2
So I wouldn't go so far as to say he would wear a full miniature legionary kit, but close.
  • Augustus
    born: C. Octavius
    C. Julius Caesar
    Imperator Caesar divi filus

    Tiberius
    born: T. Claudius Nero
    T. Claudius Nero Augustus

    Caius (Caligula)
    born: C. Julius Caesar Germanicus
    C. Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus

    Claudius
    born: T. Claudius Nero Germanicus
    T. Claudius Nero Augustus Germanicus Britannicus

    Nero
    born: Cn. Domitius Ahenobarbus
    Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus

As you can see, by Augustus as Imperator Caesar divi filus the "formal" system of naming had already started to break down, and certainly by the time Nero was calling himself Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus. In any event, they would likely have so many names they rarely used them all. After all, every emperor after Augustus had "Augustus" and "Caesar" somewhere in there name, and all of this started adding up until by the latter part of the 2nd Century you had emperors like Commodus who had enough names to give one to each month of the year! Truly, it would be nearly impossible to any way list all the names an emperor had.
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11-09-2006, 07:35 AM
the book [amazon]Chronicle of the Roman Emperors[/amazon] lists all the imperial titles from Augustus to Constantine (imperator caesar bla bla bla).
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11-14-2006, 05:49 PM
I was always under the impression that 'Nero' was a cognomen of 'Ahenobarbus'.

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11-14-2006, 06:04 PM
The complet name after the adoption was Tiberio Nero Claudius Caesar Drusus Germanicus.

That names were catched from Nero Claudius Drusus Germanicus (Drusus the elder), son of Livia and Augustus and die at 9 bC. He was a very beloved general, and probably some of the adoption of that name was used to get the favour of the army and give him some legitimacy.
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11-14-2006, 08:19 PM
Quote:I was always under the impression that 'Nero' was a cognomen of 'Ahenobarbus'.

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It's actually a cognomen of Claudius, hence why Claudius and Nero were both named T Claudius Nero. The point remains that in the same manner Octavian before becoming Augustus adopted the title of Imperator almost as though it were a praenomen (i.e. "Imperator Caesar divi filus"), the same applies to the emperor Nero who started using his cognomen--an adopted name, mind you--as though it were a praenomen. This simply serves to illustrate the way it is quite difficult to keep track of family and names when anyone in power just names themselves whatever they want and be damned the naming conventions.
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