4th Century Hoplite Illustration

[Johnny Shumate]

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[D B Campbell]

Splendid!

[Comerus Gallus]

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A [size=150:jnpddmcb]10[/size]+ Johnny!!!!

In a moment send you Philip stuff

[Et tu brute]

Brilliant once again!

[Robert Vermaat]

Very good.

[hoplite14gr]

Splendid reconstruction of the "Attic" helmet.
Although the sword should be shorter at that period.

Kind regards

[Jason Hoffman]

Dont you mean Thracian Stefanos

[hoplite14gr]

Jason,
I interpret as "thracic" the helemet with the top upwards pointing knot and the "scaloped"/ "bearded(sometimes)" cheek pieces.

The helmet with the "peudo-front guard" as shown here it a variation of the "Attik" helemt in my opinion.

Kind regards

[FAVENTIANVS]

When are you gonna make a 4th-5th century AD Roman?!

Excellent as usual.

[Robert Vermaat]

When are you gonna make a 4th-5th century AD Roman?!

Better, a 4th-5th century AD Greek! :?

[Ioannis]

Better, a 4th-5th century AD Greek! :?

I'll second that!

[Anonymous]

I'll third it. This is the Greek area of the Forum, after all! - and what did the Romans ever do for us? :lol:

[Robert Vermaat]

after all! - and what did the Romans ever do for us? :lol:

You asked for it!

]
REG:
They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.
LORETTA:
And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG:
Yeah.
LORETTA:
And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG:
Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!
XERXES:
The aqueduct?
REG:
What?
XERXES:
The aqueduct.
REG:
Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
COMMANDO #3:
And the sanitation.
LORETTA:
Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?
REG:
Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.
MATTHIAS:
And the roads.
REG:
Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--
COMMANDO:
Irrigation.
XERXES:
Medicine.
COMMANDOS:
Huh? Heh? Huh...
COMMANDO #2:
Education.
COMMANDOS:
Ohh...
REG:
Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.
COMMANDO #1:
And the wine.
COMMANDOS:
Oh, yes. Yeah...
FRANCIS:
Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.
COMMANDO:
Public baths.
LORETTA:
And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.
FRANCIS:
Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.
COMMANDOS:
Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.
REG:
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
XERXES:
Brought peace.
REG:
Oh. Peace? Shut up!

[Anonymous]

Reg, the Greeks gave you wine. (After the Egyptians gave you the date-based stuff, remember? No, you probably don't.) :?

EDUCATION?! To the JEWS? hock:

I'm not sure aqueducts were new to the Jews, either. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. :roll:

You don't want to put too much reliance on what the pythons say - after all, they're bound to speak with forked tongues! :twisted:

"They make a wasteland, and call it peace." - That's the Romans, according to one Roman.

[Ioannis]

You asked for it!

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And the sanitation.
Medicine.
Education.
And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.
FRANCIS:
Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.

RE: Sanitation
House toilets are known in the Greek world since the Late Bronze Age. Evidence comes from Akrotiri on Thera and Knossos on Crete to mention only two.
RE: Medicine
Well, can you think of any famous Roman doctors before Hippocrates or Galen?

RE: Education
Schooling (at least for the wealthier kids) was a norm in Classical Athens. At about the age of seven, a boy would be placed in charge of a paidagogos who taught him good manners and made sure that he attended his classes. Classes took place in the houses of the teachers and the boys were taught reading, writing, arithmetic and after a couple of years music as well.

RE: Public order
In 5th century Athens, there was a modest "police form" the so-called "Scythian Archers" (who may or may not have been from Scythia and who may or may not have been archers). They were responsible for keeping order in public gatherings (e.g. the Council and the Assembly) and perhaps were authorized to use force against citizens under certain circumstances. The law was enforced by a group of magistrates known as the Eleven. They were responsible for arresting criminals and running the state prisons.

For more info take a look at: 1)Baughman, E. 2003. “Scythian Archers,â€