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I don't think it would be lamellar, not at that length anyway.
Lamellar scales are wired both vertically and horizontally, and a cuirass that long wouldn't move! Lamellar stops at the waist to allow the wearer to bend at the waist.
This depiction is too long to be lamellar IMHO
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So how do you explain the existence of knee length lamellar corselets from Asia? They were fairly common. Lacing can be adjusted so that the horizontal rows are flexible.
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Quote:Can someone produce an artistic representation of lamellar that only has horizontal lines and no vertical?
http://www.geocities.com/normlaw/lam-fgt.gif
or this?
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4046 ... ongtb1.jpg
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Quote:So how do you explain the existence of knee length lamellar corselets from Asia?
But we're talking Roman, and all the depictions I 've seen are only to the waist.
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Quote:http://www.geocities.com/normlaw/lam-fgt.gif
or this?
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4046 ... ongtb1.jpg
The first one's a definite no (lots of vertical lines there), but the second one's a yes provided it is lamellar and not long segmented plate.
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Jim, is that horse armour bronze plate?
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It's Chinese, so I suspect bronze? There are no other details, sorry :?
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Quote:http://www.geocities.com/normlaw/lam-fgt.gif
It's probably better to post images from geocities as attachments rather than links, as it can cause them to pass their data transfer limit...
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Quote:It's Chinese, so I suspect bronze? There are no other details, sorry :?
That is mighty strange armour. The most vulnerable parts of the horse are the chest and hindquarters and they are completely uncovered. Whereas the back is apparently armoured - an area that is normally protected by the saddle and rider.
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Maybe some of it got lost? :?
Added: Oh, hang on, the horse's head seems somewhat restricted in the mouth area especially. Hmmm....
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Just to note that Armamentarium states that there is no evidence the Romans ever used lamellar (I assume that doesn't include Byzantine):
[url:23200ng2]http://museums.ncl.ac.uk/archive/arma/welc/beginner/faq1.htm#armour3[/url]
I also can't find a single reference to a Roman foot soldier wearing lamellar at this time, only cavalry, and then only probably clibanarii.
It's a seg.
Or, enlighten us with an example of a Roman foot soldier wearing lamellar, and one that went below the waist, before the time this mosaic was made, please.
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"Added: Oh, hang on, the horse's head seems somewhat restricted in the mouth area especially. Hmmm...."
Glad you mentioned that Tarb, I was thinking the horses head would be severely resricted by this armour! Poor horse!
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Wow! Where does that guy come from!  hock:
BTW, the Dura leather cuisses are not lamellar, they are common scale, though laced.
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Wow, a Catephracti! Totally impressive!
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