Show your roman belts?

[Rado]

These two belts are not equipped with polished elements. They were quickly assembled and went emergency into equipment in our re-enactor group in event -NOVAE /Svichtov/ Bulgaria last year.

[comicus]

Rado those are sweet pieces of "emergency" equipment, lots of reenactors would be proud to wear those-good job!

Mike

[Tarbicus]

Nice belt plates and nice belt!

My friend Jose Manuel Pastor has seen the original belt piece and says me that the backing of the plate is not another metal plate, it's something like fabric (linen?), preserved with the mineralized corrosion of the belt plate itself.

Is there any more on this possible textile backing in the intervening time? Anything published that anyone knows of? Would it have been textile squares behind the plates only, or could the entire belt have been made of textile rather than leather? Could it even be that it's a textile inner revealed after the leather outer decayed away?

[jkaler48]

Both the Indian Wars period US Army and the WW2 Germans in North Africa found leather belts unsuitable for desert area warfare and developed canvas fabric versions. Perhaps some Roman fabric belt evidence will/have turn(ed) up in Egyptian or Syrian desert areas.

[Tarbicus]

That's a good point, but this specific belt was found in Spain.

[jvrjenivs]

Well, you might also be interested in this belt then. Still didn't find a report on it, though

http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat.html?fu...&id=292438

[Herbanus]

That's mine:



Plates are from Hoger Ratsfold (Germany).
Terminals are maded by miself following ones founded at Aznalcazar (Spain)

You mean Holger Ratsdorf probably :wink:

[Herbanus]

And of course my belt set. The one without apron was made by me. The one with apron by a blacksmith near my hometown called Duco de Klonia. The buckles are by Holger Ratsdorf from Germany. The pugio suspenders from a vendor who got them from india. They were very weak at first but i got them strengthened by soldering them. The apron discs are 20 eurocent pieces.

[Crispvs]

"The buckles are by Holger Ratsdorf from Germany. The pugio suspenders from a vendor who got them from india. They were very weak at first but i got them strengthened by soldering them. The apron discs are 20 eurocent pieces."

That seems like an extremely good use for the Euro!

Your sword and dagger look to be by Len Morgan to me. If I were you I would get rid of the short straps connecting the dagger sheath and frogs. They are a modern convention and there is zero evidence that the Romans used them. The upper suspension rings should be in line with the frog buttons. I would suggest using thonging to tie the suspension rings tightly to the frogs, but Peronis has found that using *very* short leather tags can also work well if done well.

Crispvs

[Herbanus]

Good call, i didn't know about the short straps. This seemed like a good way. But i'll definiately change that now. I have seen your way on original stone carvings and such but it really never caught enough of my attention to do something with it.
And again, you're right, they're both Len Morgan weapons. Altough they are pretty good, they have some incorrect features. I'm looking for an alternative producer who makes better, more correct combat ready (i mean real combat, not stage or reenactment) weapons at a normal price. I don't mean cheap. But not like $3000 for a sword either. Any suggestions??

[Tarbicus]

Here's a list of links to the Image database, showing the relationship of pugio to balteus on a number of tombstones. You might notice the pugio rings are tight to, and in alignment with, the frogs.
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat.html?fu...=40#133411

[Paul Elliott]

I apologise in advance for the 3rd century-ness of my belt!



Note there's plenty of evidence for daggers, plenty of evidence for belts - no depictions of daggers at all on gravestones. Very unusual. So were they worn on baldrics? On the belt? Or not worn at all without armour? As you can see I favour a continuation of the frog system using the fungiform studs found on 3rdC belts.

[Rado]

I did some tinned cingulum for common use in our club! Plate and Pendant of Apron Terminal End are production of Deepeeka. Everything else is mine production;The Roman buckle, Pugio frogs, Apron Bossed and Stamped concentric circles. All this tinned.

[Renger]

This is my new belt for my early 4 century representation.
I make the leatherwork self. The beltparts make Erik König for me.
[img width=500][img width=500]http://members.aon.at/gentes/Darstellung/guertelspaetantikrenger.JPG[/img][/img]

[Robert Vermaat]

This is my new belt for my early 4 century representation.
I make the leatherwork self. The beltparts make Erik König for me.

Renger, that is a beautiful piece of work.