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Spartan pederasty?
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I thought it obvious and given that the Spartans did not accept adult sexual relationships openly,and for that matter,I haven't heard about any greek society that did. The question is always about adults and boys. However,even this relationship,that was not banned in many cities, will still cause the disgust for most modern unaware people-and for some scholars. What is the question? If the laws wrote it or if it happened in reality? I'm sure and i think you agree that the percentage of men that regularly had sex with boys was higher than that of today. This doesn't make them more gay than us. And if you accept that the way you're brought up infects your way of thinking,then you have to admit that sexuality changes over time and place. Customs,freedom and even laws infect it,it's not a purely biological process.
In the end I can't find serious disagreement between us,Paul. I just think that in the same way calling Spartans or other Greeks "Gays" is wrong, pointing all the time that Lycurgus' laws were more "modest" is also wrong. Nor the one neither the other will offer a realistic view of the unseen habits of the Spartans.
Khaire
Giannis
Giannis K. Hoplite
a.k.a.:Giannis Kadoglou
a.k.a.:Thorax
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Spartan pederasty? - by Matt15 - 03-26-2007, 05:33 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by caiusbeerquitius - 03-26-2007, 07:08 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Anonymous - 03-26-2007, 09:56 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by hoplite14gr - 03-26-2007, 10:35 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Matt15 - 03-26-2007, 09:54 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 03-27-2007, 03:16 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Marcus F. - 03-27-2007, 02:08 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 03-27-2007, 02:38 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Dan Diffendale - 03-27-2007, 02:52 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 05:39 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 05:45 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 07:53 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 07:57 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Tarbicus - 03-27-2007, 08:01 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-27-2007, 08:03 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Gaius Julius Caesar - 03-28-2007, 12:32 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 03-28-2007, 12:12 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Marcus F. - 03-28-2007, 12:51 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 03-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by hoplite14gr - 03-29-2007, 01:31 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by geala - 04-05-2007, 03:46 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 04-06-2007, 12:00 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 04-06-2007, 09:53 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Marius_Ursus - 04-06-2007, 02:29 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Hoplitesmores - 04-06-2007, 04:09 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Marcus F. - 04-11-2007, 02:56 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by hoplite14gr - 04-11-2007, 06:58 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by geala - 04-13-2007, 06:00 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Idomeneas - 04-13-2007, 11:19 PM
My two copper... - by sword121 - 07-12-2008, 08:16 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Kineas - 07-13-2008, 04:10 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by sword121 - 07-13-2008, 04:55 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-13-2008, 12:15 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Paralus - 07-13-2008, 04:10 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-14-2008, 06:40 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by hoplite14gr - 07-14-2008, 07:17 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-14-2008, 07:28 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-14-2008, 07:38 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-14-2008, 08:45 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Timotheus - 07-15-2008, 01:39 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-15-2008, 02:07 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-15-2008, 03:11 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-15-2008, 04:35 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-15-2008, 04:41 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-15-2008, 09:35 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Aryaman2 - 07-17-2008, 11:02 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-17-2008, 02:01 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Idomeneas - 07-19-2008, 10:57 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-22-2008, 12:35 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-22-2008, 12:42 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Aryaman2 - 07-23-2008, 08:42 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Jona Lendering - 07-23-2008, 10:04 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Aryaman2 - 07-23-2008, 01:50 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 07-23-2008, 01:57 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 07-23-2008, 02:59 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by mpags - 08-01-2008, 03:34 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Paralus - 08-01-2008, 04:45 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Magnus - 08-01-2008, 06:59 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 08-05-2008, 03:32 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 08-05-2008, 04:03 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 09-26-2008, 02:51 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 09-26-2008, 03:18 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Idomeneas - 09-26-2008, 11:44 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Paralus - 09-27-2008, 02:43 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by PMBardunias - 09-27-2008, 04:03 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Alanus - 09-27-2008, 04:58 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Endre Fodstad - 09-27-2008, 07:42 AM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Zenodoros - 09-27-2008, 01:35 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-27-2008, 02:30 PM
Re: Spartan pederasty? - by Paralus - 09-28-2008, 01:46 AM

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